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Your pet peeves in fanfiction

Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by Mock Moniker, Jan 31, 2011.

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  1. T3t

    T3t Purple Beast of DLP ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    Wish-fulfillment, duh. Not that I'd say no, either.
     
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    I reply as one guilty of multiple counts of peeve-triggering.

    Anyone with a pervy mind to this stuff would see the repressed Miss Granger as the perfect surprise bi who might respond to an aggressive seductress (also, many a lesbian erotica story riffs off the motif of opening a reluctant flower). Add in the whole dom-sub librarian imagery and Emma Watson's collection of gasps, yelps and lip-biting during the later films and, well...

    On the literary side, Hermione is known to go to France with her parents during the summer, making it more likely that she's fluent, unlike most anyone else in the books. Given how the French feel about the proper use of their tongue, and Hermione becomes the girl-most-likely-to-lick-lightly-and-lithely for Fleur.

    (or was all that just obvious?)
     
  3. Little Knee

    Little Knee Seventh Year

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    @Wordhammer: How could you become so expert in this subject?

    EDIT: Wait, don't answer that. I'm so stupid.
     
  4. Jormungandr

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    I say again - Manipulative Dumbledore. :facepalm

    Also, you have Hermione as the seductee, not the seductress/delusional nutter.

    I should really write a one-shot of that. Hmm..
     
  5. Alraune

    Alraune Seventh Year

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    Don't know if I said this already.

    My Pet Peeve lately has become Hermione in general. She either sours fics by inserting herself with Harry and another love interest or becomes the gateway to bashing the Weasley family (I actually really like Ron.) Or she becomes on par with Dumbledore just because she read a book.

    She's just exhausting to see mentioned in a fic now excluding Trio Friendship fics.
     
  6. Peace

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    Greatest Pet Peeve (At the Moment): Fics that make Dumbledore seem like an incompetent idiot. Yes he makes mistakes, yes he can be a manipulative arse but he's also an extremely intelligent, powerful wizard who's definitely more competent then a lazy teenager (especially if said teenager has spent the summer running around Privet Drive to get buff).
     
  7. thebrute7

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    This saddens me... but it is kind of true. As much as I love Hermione she is rarely well presented in a story. Especially if she is our heroes romantic interest.
     
  8. Militis

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    I now want to see a story where Harry uses Memory Charms and Imperius to great effect.

    Gogo.
     
  9. kalespr

    kalespr Fourth Year

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    Hermione's fanon characterization (or is that caricature-ization?) has been steadily getting worse of the years, and in quickly approaching the level of fanon Ron in it's ridiculousness.

    I think it's just an age thing, with a fandom. The same thing happened to Akane in Ranma 1/2 fanfiction, for example.
     
  10. Lindsey

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    Seriously? Only the Killing Curse is unblockable? I had this wrong for years...

    Fuck this shit, Rowling, it's still going to be unblockable in my mind. There are hundreds of torture curses for all we know, what makes the torture curse so bad?

    Pet Peeve of Rowling and HP now... not just fanfiction.
     
  11. ViolentRed

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    The thing is, I actually like a Manipulative!Dumbledore. No, scratch that, I love a Manipulative!Dumbledore. His manipulations and general crazy geniusness make him one of my favorite characters. But when authors say "Manipulative!Dumbledore", what they actually mean is "Idiot!Dumbledore".

    But the Dumbledore that ruthlessly used a man's obsessive love for a woman to make him his spy and was willing to sacrifice the life of a boy he genuinely cared about for the sake of peace was great.
     
  12. T3t

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    What ViolentRed said. Dumbledore was manipulative, Ron was an insensitive jerk, Hermione was a know-it-all, Molly was a domineering bitch, Ginny was an obsessive stalker, etc, etc, but that's not all they were. One-dimensional characterizations are bad. One-dimensional characterizations done for the sake of bashing are even worse.

    And oh yeah, Idiot Ball usage bugs me. This is one of the reasons I haven't reread the series in the last few years - I don't think I could get through it without ripping my hair out.
     
  13. Knyght

    Knyght Alchemist

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    Harry blocked a summoning charm in the fifth book.

    EDIT: And Ginny was never an obsessive stalker.
     
  14. T3t

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    Whatever, obsessive fan-girl. Funnily enough, she's the character with the least characterization on that last.
     
  15. samkar

    samkar Temporarily Banhammered

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    Your pet peeve should be bad harmony writers.
     
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    I read this out of context for a couple of seconds, and mentally combined the idea of "seductee/seductress" Hermione and Dumbledore. Hmm, but maybe that could work for a humor fic.

     
  17. thebrute7

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    Sadly you mean nigh-on all harmony writers...

    I'm going to go cry now...

    Oh, and I enjoy Manipulative!Dumbledore. But most times Manip!Dumbledore is actually Idiot!Dumbledore as already said.
     
  18. Peace

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    There are good ones?
     
  19. thebrute7

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    See? See? This is why I have to go cry all the time. God I hate those author's who make H/Hr look like it does in "popular" fanon.

    I'm going to go back to my list of the dozen decent H/Hr stories and wish I was a good enough author to write one of my own.
     
  20. kalespr

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    There are good characterizations of Hermione, and even good H/Hr stories, albiet both are rare.

    The problem is, early stories were locked in her youthful characterization as a little girl who respected authority, conceded to the wisdom of her elders in obeying the rules (mostly), and was studious to a degree above that of most of her peers.

    In canon, she grows up. In most early fanfiction, she just grows taller.

    In later stories, they have to deal with the fact that she was a bitch in book 6, and suddenly the only remotely competent person in book 7, at initial glance. On top of this, fanon had grown to establish her fanon caricature already.

    Thus, authors face an uphill battle in trying to establish a decent characterization of Hermione. This is compounded by the fact that by reading a lot of fan fiction, fanon starts to crowd around in your brain, melding with canon, and muddying the waters further. Many fan fiction writers already struggle with trying to make three dimensional characters, and avoiding stereotyping characters based off a couple points of their personality. It's just Hermione's bad luck that many of the aforementioned points are so easy to stereotype and/or ridicule.

    The dynamics of the later books, with the elevation of Hermione's convenient knowledge, and the devolution of Harry's competence, make it all too easy to fuck up in trying to bring that to balance without caricature-izing one of the characters (or alienating their fans).

    A lot of the better author's just avoid this entirely, by marginalizing Hermione's involvement in their stories to more easily shine a light on Harry, without having to deal with that canon dynamic. Or, they ignore the latter books entirely, neatly side-stepping the issue, but let the characters grow (as people and as a team), rather than remaining in their childhood personalities.


    This leads into a new pet peeve nicely:

    In Independent Harry fics: Characterizing Hermione as little more than a Dumbledore follower (or worse, sycophant), conveniently forgetting that so was Harry fucking Potter.
     
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