Summary: Twin BWL where Harry is really not the the BWL. A different prophecy. Dumbledore, deciding that it is unsafe for Harry to be with his brother (You can pick the name) due to the prophecy, and unwilling to place him in Azkaban places him in Privet drive. Harry, however escapes at age 4 and joins a street gang. Dumbledore manages to find him, but Harry is now age 7 and well versed in Muggle fighting arts.

For the greater good, Dumbledore places Harry in Nurmengard, where Harry meets Grindelwald. After extensive planning, Grindelwald and Harry escape, but Grindelwald's magic was terribly weakened by Dumbledore before being placed in Nurmengard and he is only a shadow of his former self.

Harry is mentored by Grindelwald, who himself trains to be almost as powerful as his former self.

Harry as a natural Parselmouth who gains the Animagus form of a Magical Asp (Limited magical powers - Things such as invisibility and length-changing.)

Harry eats Dumbledore's phoenix (You can invent circumstances) and becomes an Occamy-Phoenix. His Phoenix powers are limited (Fire-travel takes a fair amount of power, and no healing tears.)

Or he could eat a thunderbird and gain the power to generate massive amounts of electricity, possibly a super-electro shield which, rather than being neutralized by magic instead neutralizes magic approaching it, including Unforgivables.

Also, Harry's twin must be powerful and well trained, rather than the cliche pushover.

All in all, a Grindelwald mentored Harry vs. Dumbledore mentored twin vs. Voldemort (Possibly give Voldemort a lieutenant too?)

Suggested Prophecy:
The birth of our savior approaches, as the seventh month dies. Born to those who have thrice defied him, the twins will be his only threat. One will escape the Darkest evil, and rise to be the most formidable opponent those who inflicted it shall have. Jealous, the other shall be his most formidable opponent.

Dumbledore will interpret the darkest evil as the killing curse, which his brother survives, and along with the Potter's determine it is safest that Harry remain untrained.

In reality, the Darkest Evil will be the act of being thrown away by all family and friends, which would be Harry, who would then rise as a Dark wizard himself, opposing Dumbledore and being neutral towards Voldemort (Where it goes from there is again, your choice)

Rules:
- Harry does not attend Hogwarts to study, Durmstrang is allowable - Possibly even attending the Triwizard (If you have it at all)
- Harry does not reconcile with family, even if they try to
- No cliche's or superpowers, Harry must be relatively balanced with his twin and Voldemort. No metamorphmagus, quintuple animagus, etc.
- Voldemort & Twin get Animagus form's as useful as Harry's
- Original Spell's or modified current ones. Harry should be well trained in Arithmancy, he should also develop an individual fighting style, integrating martial arts if possible, aswell as be skilled at hand to hand combat to prevent being detected in places where he is working on stealth.
- No part vampire crap
- Harry is not friends with Ron/Hermione and does not get at all involved with Ginny


Thats it, hope its not too restrictive, but I figured this would be a really original story, I've never seen a story with most of those suggestions, so it should make an interesting read.

 

TROLL: Do Not Feed.

If there's something about this idea that is redeemable, it's that Grindelwald is Harry's primary care-giver. If anyone wants to run with that concept, you'd be better off framing it in a new fic idea and starting a new thread.

Troll or Epic Fail? Who cares, please dump this numbskull if he posts crap like this again.

Edit: This guy has a history of doing this. He started a retarded multi-souled horcrux thread last year when he was active.

Multi-souled-horcruxes are SUPA POWAFAIL!
Annoying ADD poster child.
Yet another retarded comment.

Yak.

 

It seems to be strongly influenced by A Second Chance at Life, which is certainly not the most resounding endorsement.

But yeah, a Harry mentored by Grindelwald while in Nurmengard sounds interesting. Otherwise...no.

One problem with Grindelwald mentoring Harry is that it clashes with your desire for Harry to be a Dark wizard. From what we can see in DH, Grindelwald is repentant.

 

I guess, do w/e you want with the idea then lol, i mostly thought of it just then. I was mainly trying to think of a way to make a decent fic which is similar to others, but without too many cliche's.

Also, where'd you get the similar to A second chance at life part?

I've read plenty of fic's so I would of thought it would be more similar to The Darkness Within & Unsung Hero.

Also, we dont need to go with a repentant grindelwald, Dark FTW

Actually, re-reading it, there is alot of stuff that was also in A Second Chance at life, strange since I didnt really like A Second Chance at life very much. Oh well, mainly small things such as Harry's familiar.

 

Might one enquire as to why someone would even consider placing a baby in Azkaban?

And why would living in a street gang make you well versed in martial arts? Or stealth?

Why would a 7 year old child be placed in a tower that is empty except for a former Dark Lord? Believe it or not Dumbledore is moderately intelligent, and would not be so stupid as to give Grindelwald such a willing apprentice.

Why would he turn into a magical asp? Whats wrong with just turning into a normal animal? Why would be need invisibility or size changing? Being an animagus is more about the element of surprise for a moment in a fight than anything else. McGonagall is a cat, a moderately useful form without being teh uber awsomeness. The same with all the other forms we've heard about in canon. Useful but not too powerful or uber.

How would a snake go about eating a phoenix? Did you miss the little bit in book 2 where Fawkes takes on the Basilisk and wins hands down? How would eating a phoenix do anything for you? If it did there would be no phoenix's left alive. It would be the first step on becoming a Dark Lord: Find phoenix. Eat phoenix.

 

Argh. Fine, you all win.
Also, just checked my copy of Fantastic Beasts & Where to find them, again, my mistake - I thought occamy's evolved from Snake's eating owls (That's what happened in some random fic I read)

Also, joining a gang would teach him fighting skills to survive, mug people, and fight rival gangs and anyone trying to steal his items. I've seen fic's with much dumber Dumbledore's than that, and he'd try to do it to remove Harry from the picture based on the prophecy, which was why he originally chose the Dursley's.

Those were all suggestions. Do whatever you like, they were just idea's I came up with, its not like im forcing people to write it.

 

I really hate to break it to you IBG but a 4 year old kid, or even a 7 year old kid, stands no chance against anyone in any sort of fight. Hell, some 4 year olds still need help getting dressed, simply because they don't have the fine motor skills required. Most can't tie their own shoe laces. The most that would happen would be him begging. He wouldn't be used for pick pocketing until he was at least 7 or 8, before that children don't have the hand control necessary, and most don't have the acting ability needed to present a pretense of nothing going on.

 

It's not about winning IBG. It's about coming up with a non-retarded challenge, something you failed to do.

 

Not to mention that the Oliver Twist style England has disappeared for quite some time now. Not that you can't find gangs any longer, although they tend to have been replaced with Armani wearing Russians.

It irks me in some stories when I read about Harry growing up in the slums of Manchesters. It gives me the mental image of neo-gothic factories, with coughing beggars on every corner. A four year old would be of little use to a gang. If the child-in-gang idea stems from Gangs of New York please step away from the keyboard. Slowly.

What I would like to see is Harry raised in Wizarding slums. One can use Knockturn Alley, or invent their own Wizarding city. It would fit in better with the past fascination that many seem to have, including myself and would be different from the 9329238293 stories with Harry growing up somewhere in the Muggle world.

In fact, I prefer the Muggle involvement to be minimal in a Harry Potter story, usually as long as it takes to disembowel, drawn and quarter the Dursleys. Bonus points if Harry is doing it, naturally.

 

I think 7-year old Harry is more likely to become a male prostitute than a martial arts sensei.

Still, the Harry-mentored-by-Grindelwald idea has merit.

 

1. Nurmengard is a prison. Why would Dumbledore send a 7 yr old child - any child, really - to a prison?
2. Magical animagi = automatic weeaaaaaaak saaaauuuce
3. Street gang : Methene hit the nail on the head with that one.
4. Eating the phoenix: Um....what's Harry gonna do, roast it? Said phoenix wouldn't die, he'd just have a burning day in Harry's anus. Fail.

Here, I'll throw you a bone.

NEW challenge: Grindelwald-mentored Harry vs. Dumbledore-mentored twin.

- Grindelwald reverts to his old ways; get there however you so choose
- Harry at Durmstrang, Harrytwin at Hogwarts. Meet at Triwiz (hosted at Durmstrang, new challenges, etc. Don't be completely canon)
- Harry has obsession with Deathly Hallows
- Harry's twin is basically another James Potter (i.e. arrogant yet highly skilled)
- NO MUGGLE FIGHTING: anyone trained by Grindelwald will believe in magical superiority, full stop.
- Grindelwald eventually aligns with Voldemort. Harry eventually disagrees with Voldemort's methods, feels betrayed, blah blah blah. It would fit in with your original prophecy idea, which I would keep - that was legitty.
- No fucking katanas

Feel free to edit.

 

ROFL!

"So, Harry, how does it taste?"

"It's like a Burning Day in my anus and everyone's invited."


Sadly, I must admit that the idea of a (non-magical) snake-Animagus!Harry getting the bright idea to try and swallow Fawkes in an attempt to do away with him (can't turn to ash if you've been digested) and getting his snake form mutated for his troubles.