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Indo Ghost's Challenge Harry+ Game Theory=?

Discussion in 'Challenges' started by IndoGhost, Jun 7, 2008.

  1. IndoGhost

    IndoGhost Dark Lord

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    I don't care about you making this into a fic or a parody. i don't care if it's light!harry, Dark!harry or balanced!gray!harry. There are only a limited number of rules.
    1) It's set after sirius's death.
    2) Harry some how gets introduced to Game theory from some other person. preferably by another person.
    3) Harry does become head of the black Family. The reason for the change is because the Potters, though Pureblood, are like the middleclass version of the Weasleys and The Black name holds more influence.
    4) There are no Lords or anything because their wizards and...they dont seem to be the type to hold muggle titles. If anything each wizard or witch would have to earn the title. Make it creative and have harry use game theory and duels to said titles mostly for political pulls.
    5) I want Harry to manipulate everyone, from voldemort to dumbledore because they have an amount of set behavior, he interacts with to his benefit.
    6) The summer Harry tries and most of the time fail at Game theory. The School year he gets better. They year to follow he's perfect.
    7) He, Harry Bloody Potter, has to manipulate a law, either by creating, twisting, or tricking, into saying he can marry AT MOST, means this is the workable limit, three women. And this law will show that he has mastered Game theory and can manipulate people.

    As far as pairings go it should be harry/hermione/tonks/you can add one other girl but this is the limit. The reason for those two girls:

    Hermione because 1) she was loyal to him through all seven book...she might have been retarded in two or three but she was loyal 2) she's a bookworm...you need something, if it's written she will find it.
    Tonks because...well she's a Metamorphmagus. If your trying to a manipulator and you can't use that...go kill your self.

    P.S. Good Luck.
     
  2. Perspicacity

    Perspicacity Destroyer of Worlds ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    Knowing as I do a fair amount of game theory, I'm not convinced that it makes great fodder for fiction, save to other game theorists. Moreover, not to burst your bubble, but the set of qualified game theorists on DLP who could take up such a challenge is likely rather small.

    Challenge: "Make a story out of: ..."

    1) Game theory (A Perfect Mind).
    2) Bayesian reasoning. (Baxter's Manifold Time).
    3) Bohmian interpretation of quantum mechanics (Wharton's Divine Intervention).
    4) General relativistic effects near a neutron star (Niven's Integral Trees).
    5) Any random science/mathematics thing.... (Been done).

    A proper story, I contend, requires more than a flashy bit of fashionable tech.

    Germane to your challenge, my own challenge to you would be to come up with a game theoretical proof that three wives is somehow superior to one. Without said proof, your story may be founded on a logical fallacy.

    (I am confident, having just fought with my one spouse, that I can prove the opposite)....
     
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  3. Tehan

    Tehan Avatar of Khorne DLP Supporter

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    Challenges should be plot bunnies you don't have time for or can't do justice to, not you dictating the exact story you want to read while providing bugger all in terms of usable plot. And manipulative!Harry w/ polygamy isn't that original.

    Oh, and they're/their/there. Learn which you should use. And capitalise names. C'mon, this is primary school level stuff.
     
  4. Paravon

    Paravon Seventh Year

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    Harem is fail.

    That is that, nothing else to report.


    A Challenge without a story is fail.

    A set of arbitrary rules does not make a story. Context.


    Just because it seemed like a good idea to you, doesn't mean anyone else wants to hear it; at least not in such a sloppy form.

    You haven't done your work. This isn't anything close to acceptable. Develop it and repost.
     
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  5. Rin

    Rin Oberstgruppenführer DLP Supporter

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    I was intrigued by the idea until I got to the part about the three wives. I'd prefer a story where he uses game theory to take over the wizarding world and convince everyone that that is what they all wanted in the first place.
     
  6. The Doctor

    The Doctor Unspeakable

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    For a while, I've been wondering how to respond to this. In the end, I figured the best response was the minimalist one. So, without further ado;






    PISS. OFF.
     
  7. Rin

    Rin Oberstgruppenführer DLP Supporter

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    After some thought, I've realized that this challenge ,assuming that one can even call it that, is flawed because in order for Harry to use Game Theory to manipulate others, he would have to have some form of capital or utility from which others could benifit by modifying their choices. Simply put, he does not have such capital, and therefore, he is merely a player in the game.

    Game Theory relies on the idea that people will modify their behavior to maximize their payoffs. In this case, the choices made by people before Harry was even born forces them to continue acting as they always have and hope they win the game.

    For example, Voldemort could choose to discontinue the war, but his payoffs would be nill. Whether he stops or not, the wizarding world would not allow him to continue living. Even if they did, it would be in the depest, darkest cell in Azkaban with a Dementor standing over him twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week for the rest of his life.

    Because he started his bid for control in the way he did, he MUST continue it until he either wins, or dies. There is no second prize in this. Similarly, the other Death Eaters have the same problem.

    In order for Harry to manipulate others, he must have something for them to gain by modifying their behavior, or lose by not modifying their behavior. Right now, if the Death Eaters modify their behavior, they lose everything. If they don't modify their behavior, they lose everything, only if they do not win.

    Somehow, I do not see Harry using his BWL status to get Death Eaters pardoned, nor do I see anyone else in the Wizarding world giving a rat's ass about his BWL status for that purpose.

    The best example I saw of Harry manipulating people was when he was GIVEN utility by a police officer. When the cop made Harry seem cool, Dudly had to modify his behavior or be ostricized, and Harry was the one holding the cards in that game. He used his influence over Dudly's ability to have friends or not as a way to control the Dursleys.

    He has no such utility in the Wizarding world, or if he did, it was lost half-way through his first year.
     
  8. IndoGhost

    IndoGhost Dark Lord

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    I didn't include the story part out for a reason. Since I posted it in the Challenge section, meaning I'm most likely not going to write it, I wanted to leave the entire plot up to who ever writes it. But I am sorry for the fact that I used Game Theory, I should not have used that. It should have been manipulator, because most of the time it says manipulator!harry it's just a guild trip for everyone else in the story. What I meant was he finds out where Death Eaters hang out, have a few beers and such, and plants rumors to cause fraction with in their ranks. As for the pairing, 6 billion muggles to less then 10 million wizards, their governments would the exact opposite of population control. But I will try to flush the idea out more.
     
  9. The Doctor

    The Doctor Unspeakable

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    No, the problem was the Harem!Harry you just had to include.:rolleyes:
     
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