Ok, maybe I was too hasty, but Banks was like 100% sure Jan was scum, I'll

Unvote

for now. Let's see I was re-reading the thread and I typed like 5 paragraphs worth of stuff so I'll just paraphrase it, but first, what if Koalas is lying and he does have a third ability and he neighbourized Fonti on N1? JOAT can have any ability?

Plotless- voted for me when Titus did her 'I'm queen of scums' while Blorcyn was confused as he did the same thing and voted for Titus. Next post, Plotless says it's too obvious for Titus to be scum. TMNT didn't trust Plotless and was trying to defend me like Citrus did. I don't think that makes his town just because of that because Titus and Citrus were on the same team and Citrus was scum-reading her. Plotless agrees with Citrus that Banks and Titus are probably scum.

Plotless thinks I'm newb scum. Citrus thinks Plotless is scum. Plotless still thinks I'm scum after role-claiming. After a few posts, Plotless is convinced I'm not scum, but TMNT is.


Tempus- Citrus like Snowvon's vote on him reading Tempus as town. Tempus was thinking I was the top scum. Fonti thinks Tempus is scum.

LJ- Citrus told her to claim her role. Titus liked LJ. TMNT thinks LJ is town and so did Titus and Citrus.

Jan- Fonti says in a earlier post "I do think it indicates that Banks and Citrus are not /both/ mafia and that Citrus and Jan are not both mafia" which was true for Banks and Citrus. Jan gives reasoning on why Fonti is town. Jan tells Titus her shots are wrong and bad. Jan says Citus is probably scum after he role claims and has been pushing for Citrus to be the one who got shot.

Titus tries to get us to vote Jan and tells us Jan is a liar and scum.

Elemental- votes for Tempus because Citrus was buddying up to him. Titus claims Elemental is fence sitting which Elemental replies that he is.

Evil- Citrus votes for Evil. Fonti, Snowvon, and Blo think Evil is a townie in this part of the game. Titus says she would shoot Evil, or Koalas. Town?

TMNT said he thought Elemental and Evil were both scum. Koalas said I should be copped, why didn't he use the ability on me? People who didn't vote Titus was LJ, Koalas, Banks, Elemental, and TMNT. Fonti thinks the scum team might be Plotless and Jan. Tempus, LJ, Wei and Banks didn't vote for TMNT.

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The only ones who didn't vote for Banks was Tempus and LJ. Was it because they weren't on, or did one of them know Banks wasn't scum, so they weren't going to vote for him?

 

I already discussed why the neighbourizer thing would never play out the way it did if I was it. Also if I had a third ability it'd have been used last night. And town would only have a bodyguard in terms of defensive roles.

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I feel like this should be super obvious at this point but to be clear if any other players has information, of any kind, now is the time to share it.

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Anyone have thoughts on EvilOftenWins? I keep forgetting he's in game.

 

Banks wagon analysis:

End of Day 3 Vote Count

Banks (8): weiyaoli, Blorcyn, Elemental, Jan, Plotless, demonturtle, EvilOftenWins, Koalas
Elemental (1): ljtrigirl
Jan (1): Banks

Abstaining: Tempus Fugit

In terms of order of the votes:
I voted Banks in #737 to prod him into doing something - I'm not going to analyse my own vote.

Blorcyn votes for Banks in #752 - he's now confirmed town due to his death. So the Banks wagon was started by town. The next few votes are probably key.

I think the pace of the game was apathetic enough yesterday, that the Banks wagon could very well be started by all town (with scum all off the wagon), but I think finding the weaker votes is important still.

Elemental is the next vote in #762 - He says he wants to vote for either LJ or Banks, but he ended up going with the larger wagon at that point. I don't really understand where his suspicion of Banks has come from - I read back much further and actually the main person he is attacking is LJ.

Elemental - why did you vote for Banks over LJ here?

Jan voted next in #763 - i.e. right after Elemental's vote. Looking back at it, I think his vote is fairly weak too:

???

Plotless voted next in #764, and is pretty much the picture perfect bandwagon post - not only in content, but also the fact that his vote came right after 2 others, all in a row. I think his content has dropped off yesterday. I'll have to do a quick re-read to see why I thought they were so towny beforehand. (prepost edit: nevermind, the super early TMNT vote on D2 pretty much clears them in my mind).

Worth noting that demonturtle cast the soft lynch vote, but I think they are town.

The last two votes on the wagon aren't much of note - it would have been interesting if they were instead on someone else that late, but we already pretty much had set on Banks because of the soft lynch thing at that point.

From this I think, Jan and Elemental in particular are looking very bad.

Will post something on Jan next.

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Also, would like opinions on mass claiming please, like I asked already.

 

weiyaoli something else to consider with Vote Analysis (I'm doing one myself) is the Way Out in Nowhere votes, to borrow a phrase. Ie people who aren't abstaining but have their votes somewhere that they'll do absolutely nothing.

As I'm pretty sure all our power roles are out on the table at this point I have no problems with a massclaim.

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Actually fuck it.

@ljtrigirl Why is your vote never anywhere useful? And why is your post 815 so bad?

 

Wei
Just a short explanation to the phrasing of mine you disliked.

Banks and I played a lot of visionaries together and as scum he normally is way more agenda driven than he was this game. he still looks towny doing so, but when banks is leading the game and town is doing bad, then it gets suspicious. You can also read him out of nightkills, but that is an advanced class I will teach another day.

With that being said, when banks was town in pneumonitis he took a while to get into the game, because those slow days took some of his drive. But once he settled in he was accumulating and he was doing it good.
This game he was.sitting back and hiding behind a memewall.
Fonti gave him a early tiebreak for the sole reason that citrus tried to buddy him early on and he felt like he didn't care much afterwards.

For me his gameplay was neither his town not his scumplay, that is why I prodded and voted for him all through the game, not just the one time it made a wagon.
The point was to get.him to play and get a read one way or another on him.
I even said that I would be back 22 hours later, to reevaluate. He did not do anything inbetween.

My wording of "let's make the puppet dance" is also indicative if it being a prodding vote, not a judging one.

Talking puppets ...
vote tempus fugit
Show me what you've got.

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That is all I want to write about the casa banks, because I don't think anything useful can come of it.

 

I voted Banks since his play pointed towards him being scum more than LJ. LJ atleast has some content in there but Banks has none.

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Mass claiming is fine, IMO, at this point. Only the VTs are left I think so it shouldn't matter much.

 

Top Town:

Wei: He has posted a lot, bouncing ideas and trying to solve the game. He is not afraid to give his views and cast his vote even if it contradicts the opinion of town leaders such as Fontisian when he voted for elemental instead of TMNT.

Evil: I like his early interactions with 3 scum that were lynched as well his reads lately.


Light Town:

Plotless: Early game he openly sheeped. Yet he always maintained that TMNT was scum and was suspicious of anyone who wouldn't vote him.

Neutral:

Koalas & Elemental: I feel as if I can't post one without the other since they have become so clearly aligned. Earlier I though Elemental was scum but his role claim made me feel better about him. Kalas also roleclaimed JOAT, which let's him cover up for Elemental as well as himself.

Demonturtle: Her claim, plus the way she outed Koalas felt very real to me, early in the game she got pressured really hard by Titus which is confirmed scum.

Yet if Koalas on #728 is to believed then that she either lied and someone else visited Fonti or that he was the only who visited and wants to make her look bad.

Jan: I told you that I felt unsure about you at the start of the day.

LJ: Her role along with her outbursts felt weird to me, yet her recent vote on Elemental seems logical.

To be honest I don't have clear scum reads at the moment just a big ball of neutral that I want to pry open. To do so I feel the best path would be to either lynch Kalas or Elemental, and preferably the first since it would give us more info about Demon and Elemental.

To wrap this up here is my claim:

I'm Samantha Black Crow the Innocent child. I'm smart, not afraid to hang out with strangers and neither to speak against those in power, also despite not being a god I'm pretty cool.

 

If you are the innocent child Tempus, you should be able to get the mod to confirm that you are actually town. So that's actually a very strong power role!

If you do that, could you then suggest an order for us to massclaim in?

 

I don't get it. Why would a mod confirm who he is?

 

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Innocent_Child

 

Is lynch tomorrow or Wednesday?

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Oh thank goodness. It's Wednesday. I really need to go to sleep, but I'll be back on Wednesday. This week is crazy for me. I'll try to speed get thread present, but no promises.

 

Wednesday.

We have something like 1d 21hrs left.

 

Jan- I have this thing I do sometimes called a Distrust Team. It's basically where I set aside my current feelings about someone and pretend like we're confirmed thread masons. Would you be interested? It'd be just today- tomorrow we'll give our updated reads on each other based on how today went.

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How do you feel about Elemental and the fact that your claims don't really fit together? And what don't you like about my claim?

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demonturtle- I didn't vote Banks because I thought it was kind of a cop out vote. Like, I'm glad he was mislynched yesterday over further down the line if we miss again. But I hated voting him there.

I haven't actually been on the LL yet, if you look back over my votes.

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In for an all claim today.

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idk. I generally hate piling onto wagons, regardless of how I feel about the person that the vote is on. But I definitely would have bussed both Titus and TMNT if I was scum with them as they were super sinking ships.

I don't know how to look at that post, but if you want me to respond to you in the future, I suggest not insulting me as I do not respond well to that from people I don't know.

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I like Tempus's town reads. They align pretty well with mine, and it kind of reinforces the town read I had on him.
Tempus- Can you explain the InnoChild thing? Usually that's mod confirmed.

 

Vote Count #4.1

Elemental (1): ljtrigirl
Tempus Fugit (1): Jan

Abstaining: demonturtle, Elemental, EvilOftenWins, Koalas, Plotless, Tempus Fugit, weiyaoli

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to soft lynch, and 7 to hard lynch

Day 4 ends in ~46 hours at this time.

 

Whoops. Does at-ing people tag them? That was supposed to be Tempus Fugit.

 

We can try lj, not completely sure how that works, but it should be worth a try.

So we basically ignore each other and just interact with everyone else, and see how that works out?

 

Sorry for not checking in sooner, but oh my did things go down.

I'm game for mass claiming. Why do we need to decide the order tho?

 

I need to pick a target and they'll get confirmation, the night after I use my power.
Say I used it on night one they need to get to day 3 to get the information.
So my target needs to live through 2 nights. Which is kind of though.

 

We want more suspicious people to claim first, for similar reasons to before. It's not so much a thing for their abilities since most of the power roles are already revealed, but it might make a difference with flavour etc...

 

I hope you already used your power then tempus.
If not then you are asking to be left alive for two days, which means someone gets that info on the day that we need to hit a scum, if there are two left.
Which I would assume at this point, if those PR claims are real.