Take your time Ika. Thanks

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So....for those stil awake. Strategies for

Sloth flips scum

and

Sloth flips Town.

 

My strategy is to live through the Night.

 

I think my strategy will remain the same. Remove the scum and win the game.

Either way a rule of thumb I have is to reread the day with the flip information as a given and go from there. Sometimes I read threads so much my head hurts and I jumble posts. But analysis and evaluation is my plan.

 

...doesn't that part go unsaid?

 

Riley ():
Snowvon ():
Aekiel ():
Citrus ():
Lyrium ():
Sloth (9): Citrus, Zenzao, His fluffiness, Mathblade, Rubicon, Snowvon, Lyrium, house, TerRaine
TerRaine (1): Malakittens
Qgqqqqq ():
Rubicon (1): , Quanksor
house ():
Atum ():
His fluffiness ():
Quanksor (7): Riley, Fishy Justice, atum, Kento Kraitos, Qgqqqqq, Sloth
Mathblade ():
Zenzao ():
Fishy Justice ():
Kento Kraitos ():

Not Voting () All votes are in play

17 Alive, 9 to lynch

Mod notes:
red=lynch

 

Sloth's flip and the NK will give more information. Scums can eat roles info but they can't eat the player name so that will be something.

Citrus and Quanksor, plz say hai.

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I would say do an interaction analysis (someone who can make sense of it). Pick the scummy player and see their interactions to everyone in thread and red the scum names. Like it made it seem obvious that Kalas and TerRaine were scum in CYS but I was unsure so someone more pattern oriented could probably do well iwth that.

 

Yes........again...needed to be said

 

Sloth was robin

All players except sloth may continue talking until deadline. Which is about 8 hrs 45 mins

 

And I started this but this thread is too long to do all of it unless time:

Post # Content or Summary
8 Snowvon. Votes Lyrium.
9 TerRaine. Says hi to Snowvon. “So…how is everyone this fine…”
10 his fluffiness. Votes Quanksor.
11 Sloth. Post about not posting until later. Puts a timer.
12 Quanksor. NOU Votes his fluffiness. Makes a joke about jester.
13 Citrus. One person is slotted town for weak reasons. Votes Kento Kraitos. (hasn’t personally met him before?)
14 Lyrium. Questions.
15 His fluffiness. Asks Quanksor if he read the setup re: joker. Then responds to Lyrium’s questions. States that Two Face is the most dangerous player if it makes it to MYLO.
16 Schrodinger. Responds to Lyrium’s questions. Riddler and Penguin for most dangerous.
17 Qgq. Votes Lyrium. Responds to only one question regarding Riddler as most dangerous player.
18 TerRaine. Responds to Lyrium’s questions. Responds in=depth to #3. Mentions Bane . Says Penguin is most dangerous (lower case).
19 Quanksor. Responds to his fluffiness re: Kalas flavor about jester\joker. Answers Lyrium’s questions. List Penguins, Killer Croc and Clayface as most dangerous. Brings up mass claim idea if Riddler didn’t exist.
20 Schrodinger. Asks Quanksor why mass claim would be a winning strategy.
21 Atum. Responds to Lyrium’s questions. Mentions that wo Bane and Penguin, mafia have less to worry about and Penguin has less to worry about wo a vig. Riddler as most dangerous. Mentions fonti.
22 TerRaine asks Lyrium to answer.
23 Zenzao. Mentions reasons for limited posting. Responds to Lyrium’s questions. Killer Croc, Penguin, Riddler as most dangerous. Touches on mass claim issue.
24 Vesvius. Loss of so many scum roles can only help town. Why questions mark for scum? Two Face, Penguin, Croc, Clayface as dangerous. First mention of town roles that could be dangerous (Batman) in the hands of the wrong player.
25 Vote Count: Ika. https://forums.darklordpotter.net/showpost...774595&postcount=25

26 Quanksor responds to Schrodingers question about mass claiming and asks everyone to chime in about it.
27 Schrodinger responds to Quanksor (very close time span) asking for further clarification and also self-deprecating re mafia theory craft (then why ask?)
28 Atum responds to Schrodinger’s questioning of Quanksor with explanation of why mass claiming is relevant but not a good option while Riddler and possibly Clayface are alive.
29 Snowvon. Unvotes Lyrium (that was quicker than usual). Responds to Lyrium’s questions.
30 Quanksor responds to Schrodinger and continuing off Atum re: mass claim and how potentially a mechanical victory could be work once Riddler is dead.
31 His fluffiness chimes in (3 minutes after quanksor) and restates that mass claiming would be a good idea after the Riddler is dead.
32 Aekiel. Responds to mass claim discussion re: the Riddler exists to prevent mass claims. Responds to Lyrium’s questions. Penguin as most dangerous and then Killer Croc.
33 Schrodinger. Responds to mass claim argument with “huh, never thought about it that way.” Asks a question, “What do you think is the least useful town role?”
34 Aekiel. Responds to Schrodinger. Red Robin as least useful and then Nightwing.
35 Sloth. Comments about Emperor Joker (mod flavor or ?). Responds to Lyrium questions. Batman, Penguin, Clayface, Two Face, Riddler, Bane in order of most to least dangerous.
Votes his fluffiness for not reading the flavor.
36 Kento Kraitos. “I am late” post when day is two weeks long. Hmm. Responds to Lyrium’s questions. Detailed response to #3. Refers to town as “they.” Which is odd. Riddler most dangerous in terms of mass claims. Penguin most dangerous otherwise.
NOU Votes Citrus.
Apologizes for walls of text.


37 Riley responds to Lyrium questions except 3 and 4. Responds to 4 with Sandman.
38 Snowvon votes Riley. Opportunistic?
39 His fluffiness (close posting time to Snow) asks Riley to provide more reasoning]respond to questions.
40 Shortly later, TerRaine responds to Schrodinger with a questions are useful and doesn’t want to respond to Schrodinger’s question because it gives scum a “do not waste a kill on” thing.
41 Riley responds to his fluffiness with Kalas would keep everything fair and balanced. Continies to mention the Sandman as if he hasn’t read the setup. Would be hilarious if it wasn’t Riley.
42 His fluffiness responds to Riley stating that he has not read the setup carefully.
43 Riley responds to his fluffiness and corrects to Clayface as most dangerous.
44 Aekiel responds to Riley by stating that he didn’t respond to the questions having to do with the game although Riley did respond to the second one just with the wrong name. (ping?). Aekiels asks follow up question to Riley about which players are the most dangerous as scum combos.
45 Riley responds to Aekiel with: Vesvius and fontisian as most dangerous. “Killer Croc and Bane/Penguin” as most dangerous combo due to infoblocked kill.
46 Hid fluffiness asks mod to replace fontisian with Riley on the player list. Helping Riley or?
47 Atum asks Kentos Kraitos the same question as Aekiel in slighy different wording. “Who are the most dangerous players in this game?”
48 Citrus. Responds to Lyriums questions. Riddler and Two Face\Clay Face as most dangerous. Asks an interesting mechanics question about ClayFace stealing Riddler’s ability. Two Face as most dangerous as well but then dead. Asks about Penguin\Bane choice happening pre-game.
49 Kalas re refer to setup rule to Citrus.
50 Quanksor. Mentions that he already asked Citrus’s question in his QT. Continues to ask questions about Clay Face’s ability and effects.
51 Nemrut. Each scum could be dangerous under a good player but bad town could be equally dangerous. Booster Gold particularly. Avatar.
52 Kalas post re Clayface can only choose one role.
53 Ika VC. https://forums.darklordpotter.net/showpost...774720&postcount=53
54 Sloth. Riley is probably town. Gives a rainbow. Sloth, Riley, Lyrium as green (townish) everyone else in yellow and Nemrut and his fluffiness in pink (scumish?). Early rainbow. Sloth brings up the mass claim thing again. Oh and timer.
55 His fluffiness responds to Sloth about mass claiming. Argues against it.
56 Citrus. Exactly what fluffiness said.
57 Q responds to reiterate mass claiming is off the table for now. Asks Sloth what he finds suspicious about Nemrut.
58 Sloth. Moves Snowvon to slight scum reads. Asks SNowvon id he was in B&T. Asks Q to anseer #4 in 51.
59 Snowvon responds to Sloth about not being in B&T.
60 Aekiel speaks agains the mass claim. Mafia 101 so that until mid game mass claim isn’t viable. Ask Riley about the Fonti slip. Asks Lyrium about follow up on questions list.
61 Schrodinger corrects Aekiel re: peaked\piqued.
62 Aekiel responds to Schordinger re:blame hangover.
63 TerRaine responds to Sloth’s not well thought out plan.
64 Lyrium. Questions, comments, etc.

 

You asked a question. That's my answer of strategy regardless of alignment Sloth has. So yes it needed to be said as you asked.

 

....fantastic

I think we should investigate his claims.

 

Why don't you start?

He's still wrong about me so I assume he's wrong about more then just that.

 

Sorry Sloth.

 

Cause it's 3 am and I'm going to go to sleep soon.

Given his roll one town roll has been ruled out for all of you named in his post at least

 

I can't even find his last "reads" post at least the last several have been just him volleying back and forth.

Can you whenver you have time?

Also, please do go ahead and make cases on all of us. This should be fun.

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Oh god my QT has some stupid stuff in it now and I can't even delete things.

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Now what are your reads?

 

Welp. That bites.

 

I'm also going to give a gentle reminder that the night will most likely be only 24 hrs so get your actions in.

I have a spreadsheet up to do them and I rather not be scrambling last minute to do it.

If you would like a reminder in your QT. Post in there and I will give you one

 

I need to rethink my read on you. I'm too tired to sort through your ISO, but something about the way you ended up thinking Sloth was scummy did ping me as opportunistic, and I ignored it because I was so sure Sloth would flip scum.

Snowvon and TerRaine still seem town to me, and I don't think anything about Sloth's flip should shift those reads.

Atum is still scummy for the reasons we already talked about. The lack of presence at the end of day isn't helping much.

Kento Kraitos, Fishy Justice and Qgqqqqq seem like good candidates for scum positioning themselves around a wagon they know is town. I don't like Kento's #450. It's a weird reaction to someone pointing out a reason to think Quanksor might be town. Fishy Justice is playing the apathy card to an extreme, and should probably be lynched for it.

There is a big pile of lurktastic players and new replacements that I don't have much of a read on yet. Riley, Malakittens (or her predecessor), House, and Citrus. Riley and Citrus suck.

I want to see what Mala thinks once she catches up.

I think this:

… is probably worth investigating.

MathBlade's reads don't make a lot of sense. I let her slide because she was anti-Sloth, which was probably not good play. But her reads really don't make sense at all. And she seems unsure of herself, and too easily shifted by the views of others. Scummy.

I'm coming up empty on things to say about Zenzao. I don't remember anything he's done.

his fluffiness is null-town for the stuff I said about him earlier.

I feel like I put a lot of my eggs in the Sloth-scum basket.

 

Thanks!

What makes you nervous about my style of solving the game? How is TerRaine scum-hunting, in more than a short sentence? You say a question is more proactive, but don't ask questions of any of your scumreads?

Wait what no I didn't? I'm still sticking with the Sloth one because it's freaking awesome

Snow explained what I meant when I called you out with a scum-read in #479, but I will just quickly say that I wasn't in any way doubting you were busy in RL and a lack of activity is not what I was scum-reading you for. Hell, I've been gone for like days. It was your style that just felt off.

Thanks dude!

And see, think about it from everyone else's perspective Sloth. You took this approach, but your style had some similarities with your scum werewolf game whether you consciously did them or not. And you could totally say this as scum to make everything jive. I guess I can talk more about it with you post-game but yeah.

I don't like this post - for self-consciousness and I think hypocrisy, didn't Q vote Sloth at some point both before and after this post?

Agreeing with what? The two big things I've pushed so far this game are a scum-read on Sloth and my block of town reads, and you don't seem to be particularly in agreement with either (especially considering the above quote)

Pretty sure Rubicon is town at this point, I'd be genuinely surprised if he turns out to be scum after the amount of aggression/pushing on Sloth

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@Rubicon

Not much I can do, had major exams culminating in a final paper due earlier today. I have more stuff but it shouldn't be as bursty here on out so I should be around for the rest of this game (unless it runs for like 3 months but I don't think that's possible?)

I kinda agree with the point Sloth brought up, especially as I don't remember reading that quote from him and came to a similar conclusion via the 2 posts quoted from Q above

 

Fucking hell guys. I didn't realise the lynch was going to happen ~10 hours before the lynchtime or I wouldn't have gone to a film tonight...

Respond to queries/stuff that came up in a bit.

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Ika, there were only 6 votes on Quanksor

I don't recall voting Sloth before that, and I certainly didn't vote him after it.

I didn't mean about the big parts of it - I meant the small things, the things stated from post to post, reactions to the thread.

@Rubicon: Damned if he's scum, damned if he's town? Eh, was expecting this. I think I explained my reads/thoughts well on the matter well, and I'm happy to defend it. Why do you think I could be scum looking for cred, ahead of Riley/Atum on that wagon?

Mathblade, seeing as you're online, could you explain what you hated about my claiming idea?

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My last post before the lynch was to Lyrium, BTW.

God, this 100%. I feel like no one but me, Sloth and Mathblade (at the end) was reading the shit Lyrium was spewing over the thread. FFS.

Anti-town means anti-town as in not town aligned. That's what I mean when I say Lyrium is playing in a anti-town way. It isn't explicitly scum/riddler, but its play that is indicative of that. It doesn't mean I think you're scum playing pro-town or town playing anti-town, it means I think you're scum aligned.

You consistently just ignore whatever's being said to spew your own stuff all over the thread.

When the fuck have I given any indication that I thought you were scum playing pro-town? When has anyone implied that? In the history of mafia?

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How is this relevant? Look at the post you're replying to - I state why your sudden move on Sloth is suspicious, there's nothing in there that his skills have any relevance to. He could be as bad a scum as Quanksor or as good a one as Rowain (off-site reference), but it wouldn't have any bearing on that comment, so why is it relevant?
...you just did a Lyrium, my friend. I'm so sorry.



Oh and House, why did you vote Sloth?

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Ignoring the way Sloth flipped, why would we not want the talker to keep talking? Like, literally ever?