Let's look at obvTown for a minute here:
Me -- Will be confirmed quit arguing and go with it
Maiden -- Because of her reveal
(And if you choose to believe which I don't, The holy trinity)

Then likely town:
Blab -- Mafia is very unlikely to buy a vest considering they'd know how the role system works and how much money is outstanding.
Riley Poole -- Look ya'll were gunning for him. It's a town move exactly how he played it. If you kill him major derp.

The likely mob:
Moridin -- The classic hammer. It never does get old with the mob.

The rest I leave in the air to you.

OH SUPERSAINT! OH SUPERSAINT! OH PLEASE BE HERE SUPERSAINT!

 

1) Who's the other scum?
2) Why would they sell each other out when their numbers are already crippled?

Depending on your answers, I might pursue this line of thinking if you flip Town.

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-Your Blab reasons make no sense btw, or at least you're not explaining them properly.
-Neither do your Riley's.

 

Sloth, honestly I alternate between three theories, none of them pretty, and they are in no particular order.

1) Irid -- Classic Lurker defense. Notice how little he has posted in the chaos...He's busy again, right? He was high on my list before and has done little to change it, even when he knows I'm going to show town.

2) LuckyLee is scum based upon his weird power. Seems more like he's trying to cover for a mafia kill or is a power town role or something fishy. Something is up here.

3) One of the Holy Trinity is a scum. I hate this option I really do, but there's been some really scummy play from those three.

I think that Moridin doesn't know there is a supersaint, which is possible in a bastard mod game or that since the hammer was begged for by the town he could get away with it and look town instead of scum.

If there is a supersaint then we'll get rid of one scum really quick.

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Assume Blab is mafia, they would know standard roles for the most part. Maybe not bastard ones but they would know if someone is gunning for them. Assuming LuckyLee false claimed which is likely, then Blab as mafia would not need a BP. If he bought it as Mafia to take it away it is one less Mafia action, when granted they knew who there were going to kill and it would make an easy pass to Lucky as scum if the mafia kill didn't happen.

Assume Blab is town and wanted protection. Numerical odds. The holy trinity won't get touched. Assume you believe the holy trinity is town. This leaves 7 other people after my lynch. Two of them are mafia. The likelihood of 2 people dying not in the holy trinity and not in the mafia 2/5. Those are very good odds as Lucky's claim wasn't false yet. Even if it was 1/5 in the mid game survival is the toughest.

Riley in a second.

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Riley on the other hand, has been giving very little to help the scum lynch him. The mafia, when not lurking, wants to create a false lynch. In order to do that they have to hang it on someone. The scum group picked Riley or suggested it or got Titus to believe it and she is selling it. Regardless of how it originated, it is a brilliant town play to not give the mafia more to hang him with.

In comparison Irid has lurked for the entire time we've played. I've maybe had one post interacting with him. No one finds this odd? And anytime someone asks for his vote he tends to sheep and hedge his bets. Not really providing that much logic to go with it either.

Riley on the other hand has had several posts ignored where he answers questions. Maybe not to everyone's liking but he answers it and is helpful to town unlike Irid.

His claim of town auditor is also easily verifiable. Anyone can publically ask for themselves to be checked and give him a gold. If they end up dead, he's scum. If they get their role back he is truth telling. If the requestor isn't dead and they don't get their roleback, he's either RB'd or he lied about auditor which makes him scummy. Auditor is a stupid role to claim if trying to avoid a confirm.

 

Just quick reply, since I see Prophy is here and he'll probably end the day soon:

-I see what you're saying for Blab as Town, but we have no reason to believe scum would have inside information aout the roles, or if they do, having them know exactly what the limitations are would be EXTREMELY bastard play.
The only reasons tossed around for them knowing is the possiblity of a Soup (dismissed, but alternative Assassin considered) or the knowledge that there's an SK (which we have no real hard evidence on).
Neither of which requires in-depth knowledge of what a role can and can't do.
But I do believe blab is Town at this point if nothing else.

-Riley's play has gone from town-derp to scummy in the last parts of D3. I still think it's to obvious and convenient, but I'm no longer dismissing the possiblity of him being scum. Again, auditor seems like it'd be a Town Role, and by OP, I think it probably is, but it could be scum and his actions really suck. He takes everything really personally too, and it's annoying.

As for your 3 scum options...yeah, I've been saying that about Irdium from the start and everyone's looked at him, so I doubt no one's considering the possiblity.
On Moridin, I already said that I believe it could be between him and blab, and if blab is Town...
And on the trifecta...could be, but I have no solid reason to think so right now.

I'll decide what to do when you flip.

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In the meantime, guys, take the Night to consider what we should be doing with Lee tomorrow, specially my last few posts about him. I can't think of any immediate counters from them, but maybe you can.

 

I will add flavor later.

MathBlade has been lynched. She was Anne Hughes, Town Vanilla.

It is now Night 3. Night 3 will end in 24 hours.

Look at the Info Board for updates.

Please don't post.

(mods looking at this - don't lock, night posting isn't a serious problem and I need to post day at the correct time.)

 

Of course it's personal when you have an easily verifiable role that is also Town but the one person whom every has basically decided is confirmed town is pushing for a lynch on people whom you believe is non-scum. Mostly because you sit in front of a computer screen screaming incoherently about how idiotic that thought train is.

I also dislike the fact that you're willing to interact with a lynched person but completely ignore my posts Sloth.

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dammit, sorry ninja'ed

 

As usual, flavor later. In the meantime, enjoy this quote, much funnier with context:

Zennith has disappeared. (he is dead) He was Tristan Moss, Town Warden.

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An item has been placed in stock.

Rolecop for 1 gold (A player may target another player at Night and rolecop them. Rolecops let that player see the other player’s role classification, aka, if they would target the sample role PM, they would receive the message “Town Jester”)

You may buy items by paying gold equal to the price, in your personal QT. I will then tell you if you've successfully bought it or not.

It is now Day 4. With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch!

Refer to the Info Board for updates.

 

Well fuck, I went for Sloth as my Audit choice and was roleblocked. Now I have zero gold. That's just annoying.

Sloth did you get put in Jail?

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Also, who in the hell is using hashtags in the tags?

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Sloth I see you there. Care to answer?

 

Patient now, so I'll be brief and come back later:

Was not jailed.

I did the #sickofyourshit tag because it cracked me up and seem to sum up this entire game in one phrase. No clue who did the rest.

Discuss Lee. Refer to #1397 & #1400.

BBL.

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Riley is Town. Blab is Town. Moridin is Town. Maiden is Town.

Scum is probably Irdium + Lee, maybe Citrus.

SK, if existing, is either Citrus or Titus.

 

Why Sloth? Why not audit your scumreads?

I did #stillabadcluster, but I don't see the relevance.

I am thinking that shot between the eyes is a strongman, and disappeared is regular mafia.

Alpha Vote: Riley
Baker Vote: Moridin

I want to run down Moridin a little since Mathblade seemed to be sure here in her final reads.

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For Mathblade,

Objection! AHHHHHH! THIS CAN'T BE!

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Sloth, I am not even sure there is an SK. Lee's and Riley are pretty damn convienent...again.

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Riley, were you jailed? The mod gives that feedback similar to roleblock. I can see Zennith jailing you bc I was wrong.

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Wrong about Mathblade obviously.

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Wait, how could you have checked Sloth? Weren't you short gold?

 

I was not jailed. I was just told that I was roleblocked and have zero gold.

As for MathBlade's reads: I'd prefer to focus on Irid as he's lurked so damn hard I think he might be the SK if there is one. I'm like 60% sure of that.

Titus is not SK for sure, as having a double vote and the ability to kill would be too OP even for this game. Titus as Scum is still on the board in my opinion.

Question for those in Jail, now that Zennith is dead, has it dissolved or do you still have open access to Jailchat?

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No, I received 1 gold at start of night, courtesy of Mathblade I believe as she did indicate she was going to give me a gold.

I did Sloth because I got confused on who's currently in Jail and who's not and I was fairly certain he wasn't. I also chose him because he's a Town Read to me and I felt I could trust him not to fuck me over when I gave his Gold Count in thread.

 

That's for once, the answer I was expecting. It seems to be logically coherent. I was hoping you would say jailed as Zennith promised he wouldn't jail you.

We have a roleblocker or Riley is no auditor. The latter would indicate Riley as scum but given the level of derpage in this thread, who knows?

I can't say an Irid push is scummy because those reasons are valid. However, my own vald reasons just got townlynched so I am trying to start the day assuming Mathblade is correct.

 

I'd really like for Irid to post more than a few sentences honestly.

Irid: Can you give us a list of your reads based on what's happened so far?

 

My order of investigation

Moridin/Riley (Riley bc I still think he's scum but I was wrong abou MB so treating as a nullread for today)
Ird
Luckylee
Sloth (for Fonti)
Maiden - Merchant is verifably separate from flip...I still do not understand the role and how it helps town.


Citrus
Blab

The bottom I really think are town.

 

Wow, I'm surprised I'm not dead. I have school now, so I gotta go, but you can bet that I'll be back. XD

 

Votes at end of day so far:

Day 1 when Zeit imploded:

Day 2:

Day 3:

Thought I'd do this real quick, not that I'm getting much out of it. If anybody else sees something suspicious from the votes, do tell.

Reads:
Luckylee: I don't want to see him lynched today. His actions are weird and scummy, but if he shoots me tonight we can at least say he's got a vig ability of some sort and scum will have to shoot him.

Moridin: Voted for Mathblade, so even more scummy in my view.
Vote:Moridin

Riley Pool: Going after Titus yesterday was ballsy, I like that. I have him as probable town for now.

Blab: His tiff with Maiden seemed genuine enough, and he was scumhunting yesterday. Null Leaning Town

Maiden: I'm a little iffy on your order of items, but I still think you're leaning town.
@Maiden: You can sell a rolecop ability, and did not do so earlier why?

Sloth: No clue.
@Sloth: Why do you suddenly have Moridin as town?

Titus/Citrus: Something here is fishy. I'd say one of these two is probably scum or third party or something.

 

Okay, quickly checking in. I want Lee dead today, will post a proper case on him as soon as I can, shouldn't take long.

For some reason, I got a gold at the start of Night. I mean, I can see the obvious reason, but I'm not entirely sure how/what/why. Oh well.

 

Because I investigated him.

Also, I'm Judith Owens, Town PI/Cold Trail Tracker, and my ability is called Retroactive Leads.
It allows me to choose a target at Night. and find out who their targets were the Night before (Hence useless N1).

Example:
Player1 targeted Player2 in N1.
I target Player1 in N2.
At the end of N2, I am told Player1 targeted Player2 N1.

If Player1 had multiple targets, I'm told all of them. I've also recently received modconfirmation that NKs count as target, even if they are group decisions.

It costs 2 gold per use. I started with 4.

ACTIONS
N1: None. Again, useless then.
N2: Investigated blab.
N3: Due to a miscommunication between Proph and I, I was given the results on Moridin instead of the target I truly wanted.

If they give me permission, I'll state what my results on each were. Regardless, they're both conf!Town now.

Don't believe me? Cool.
Since yesterday, I've been advocating a plan that involved me being lynched today.
If neither Lucky nor Irdium are going toDay, lynch me. Confirm.

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Uh-huh. This would require both the most likely scum in my eyes to conveniently be given a free pass. No.

Lynch Vote: LUCKYLEE

At this point, even if Lucky didn't blatantly (#1397) lie about being a Vig, he designated you last Night, so his shot is largely useless since one of you won't make it through the Day if I have anything to say about it.

As scum, Lucky is the bigger threat than you. And I'm perfectly willing to take the risk of losing a vig.

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@ALL: I'll take questions now.

 

So even though you had the information yesterday that blab was town, you still supported for a vig shot for him? What changed from yesterday to today?

I don't have a particular problem with a Lucky lynch, but that strikes me as odd.

 

Posting what I have now. It's somewhat short but the main issue with Lucky is there.

#395 is the first obvious point, advocating an Ika lynch while voting Blab. Changes it when called on it by Fontisian.

We have the initial random spate of postings after Font's death. Trying to hammer, which fortunately didn't work.

#611 is the initial 'claim' where he says he'll kill Sloth to 'avenge' Font.

#618 is where he points out that either Sloth is scum and offed Font, or Sloth is town and scum is setting him up. After this fairly reasonable breakdown, he then says he'll shoot Sloth tonight and that will be 'the end of the game', both implying a three man scum team and completely disregarding the second scenario he just described. Why? Because Font suspected Sloth (which conveniently removes all the blame from him).

#627 is another 'Fonti's will' thing. He's seriously working to emphasise that this isn't him.

#634 is aimed at Font, but it's also a hint that other townies, especially those without use for their gold like VTs, should send him their gold so he can put out more kills.

#658 'convince me Fonti was wrong'. Not 'I am wrong', mind, never 'I am wrong'.
Then we have the fact that Lucky survived the night at all. Let's assume he is town. He's currently played up his role to be extremely powerful. Two kills this night. Based on the priority order, looks like those kills would have happened anyway, so even if he's shooting two townies scum can still kill him and gain three town deaths. If he's shooting a scum they'd either 1) put in a priority kill of some kind on him (if they have one) or 2) kill him so that he doesn't have a shot at taking out the last one the next night. In what universe does it make sense to go after Rubicon or, indeed, anyone, instead of Lucky?

#1380 is the rereveal. Let's take a look at this. So he has to designate someone, and then he can shoot them the next night. Yeah, that seems like a way more gimped role. So why would he lie about it? He 'bullshited to see if something would happen'? Yeah, no. Let's look at just what this bullshitting did. It, as mentioned above, made him a much, much greater threat to scum. Something a Town Vigilante should be acutely aware of, and should be working to avoid. Indeed, I can easily see scum shooting Rubicon over him if he had revealed with that kind of ability. So how did making him a target (something he admits he did in #1377) help?

Well, there's one other effect from his lying. It made him a much more powerful town asset than before, as Zennith pointed out in #1378. It led to him getting a free pass the next day even though he didn't shoot anyone, and shifted a lot of the discussion away from him simply because of the utility he could provide. In the end, I think this is exactly what he was going for.

Of course, this is all played off as 'lulz'.

Sloth's #1400 makes a good point too.

Vote Lynch: Luckylee

Sloth, you can post what you've got on me. I'm actually kind of confused as to how showing targets can townfirm - do you have confirmation that scum NKs are listed as targeting from all of them, or something? Also, what Irdiumstern said.