This relies on there being 3 scum, which I don't think works.
Also, makes no sense to me, because you're right, they would need more abilities (3 or 4 scum), so why would they get two that basically accomplish the same? That's a waste. That's what doesn't make sense. That's been my point.

Riley gave out an explanation of his abilities, and its limits, and they work in theory for me. It's pseudo-confirmed, because we only have his word for it on Fonti, and the fact he claims roleblocking. Hence why mine is confirmed: I confirmed it with both you and Mori.
As for Zennith, Citrus and Titus have stated it as fact throughout the day, and continued to do so without me needing to say anything.

 

Sloth, anyone can guess Blab and Moridin were vts.

 

...Explain the discrepancy.

Mori is lean town, meaning he's only Town by because I think others are scummier and there can't be tree. In my Lists, he's always second because that's only on the off-chance the first flips scum, for reasons explained. Prove this wrong.

Ird has always been up in my list, specially after that bit with the bid. I've explained why I'm not voting for him yet. Refer to Strategy.

Blab is Town unless Irdium flips Town. The logic is not hard. You're simply pretending it is and trying to dress it up as all over the place.

The change to moving you and Citrus up was due to my theory on the gold interference. Explain how it doesn't make sense.

Everything has been explained. Your arguments are reaching. Despite everything you're pointing out to discredit me, all you've done is pick at it without addressing a single thing of substance in any of my arguments. Not in here, not in 1532, not in 1554.

I see you watching the thread. So you have 15 minutes to point out where it's wrong.

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...really. How would I have known N2?
How would I have known N4? Explain what makes them so obviously VT.
Now you're doubtcasting my role?

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Btw, I'm sorry, apparently you can reread the thread and come up with new, more likely theories in your eyes, and I can't? That's nice.

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It's been 20 minutes and I have work in the morning. Good night.

 

I am going to rework this tomorrow. I will highlight the sudden shift tomorrow.

 

mostly @Sloth:

re: bid situation:

With Moridin and Irdium both denying that they tried to buy the bulletproof I think it is most likely that Maiden wanted to correct the first statement into "5 people tried to get the watch and 2 tried to get the bulletproof" and accidentally switched the words.
Because:
1. I can't get 5 reasonable bids for the bulletproof no matter the scumteam. Riley and me bid, and it doesn't make sense for 2 scums to additionally bid for bulletproof and keep quiet about it (especially since the have a roleblocker if Riley is town), and then we still need a 5th bid.
2. I can get 5 bids for the watch together easily. Plus Irdiums and especially Sloth's actions make more sense if they both actually bid for the watch and didn't get it. There is little motivation for them to lie about it independent of alignment.
3. Additionally, I think this is more likely, because: [Redacted]



re: gold of Zennith situation:

Not really. They stated that Zennith definitely would give his gold to one of them (or both), but not that he would definitely split.

Anyway, you make too many far-reaching assumptions the potential gold-interference mechanic for my taste. For example an alternative explanation: Scum simply roleblocked Zennith to prevent him from sending gold (though that would only work if Riley is scum, since he claimed to have been roleblocked the same night). Not OP, in my opinion.

I'm still trending towards my reasoning in #1485 and can't narrow it down to "Citrus or Titus".




@Titus:
I don't really see why you assume either innocent child or that Possum actually willed his gold to fontisian, but really, both things don't really matter.

re: rereading Day 1+2:
I reread Day 1+2, and based on only that (and if I ignore the jail-mechanic) I can see Sloth/Citrus/ika/Zeitgeist. I thought Sloth was scummy most of Day 1+2 anyway and Citrus is nullish and not an unaligned pair with any of Sloth/Zeitgeist/ika.
I don't see where you get the idea that Citrus was voting up Rubicon, but he was pushing Ird and Riley, two easy (and in this case town) targets.

But that doesn't change the fact that Citrus was in jail (and what stopped an ika/Citrus team from killing jaikeeper Zennith N1?)
And it also doesn't change the fact that Sloth gave correct information regarding me. So he (or his hypothetical scumbuddy) is confirmed as at least some kind of "Motion Detector" which doesn't fit with Zeitgeist's power being watcher, which is what everyone but me seems to be taking as fact.

@Citrus:
I'll vote for you if you convince me that I should bet the game on one of you and Riley being scum.

 

Finally somoene other than me or Titus contributes. This isn't the Titus & Sloth show, guys. -__- I keep saying I need feedback.
NO ONE is contributing and it makes me worry I'm barking at the wrong tree and scum is staying back to keep me focused on it.

@Blab
I can see what you're saying about Maiden, but it's a huge assumption too, and I don't think she'd make that sort of error.
I'd like to hear your redacted statements, but for now, all I can say is that it's entirely possible, but there's no definite reason to think so.
As for why scum wouldn't was the gold...assuming a gold interference system, and the fact we haven't heard anything from Lee or Maiden's last will, I'm wondering if they have the gold to spare.

On Zennith's gold, I just understood it as him splitting it. Citrus, Titus, feel free to correct me, although I don't see why he wouldn't.
It'd be OP, in my opinion because:
A) Scum would always know who to target decisively (Hey, Zennith/Rubicon/Mathblade/etc's about to kick it, use your ability on them!). They'd never get it wrong.
B) Like I said, aside from targetting the giver being basically unfair, say they have 3 gold being split among 3 people. If targeted (which, again, would be incredibly easy), none of those 3 get anything. It's much more fair if they have to decide who the gold would go to, since at least there's not as much certainty in that and their ability would be tempered by not being able to take it all.
Read that and tell me why it's not the case?

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^As for why scum wouldn't bid and risk the gold* derp. Sorry, about to see a patient.

 

Why would he send me jack shit? I can't do anything with gold, titus can. What if titus couldn't receive the last will while using his ability?

vote: Riley poole

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Or scum interfered with titus's receiving gold. Either way he sent it to titus or someone else, but not me cus I received nothing (which makes sense)

 

I'd like to request a vote count before I post anything. I'm a little busy at work so I'm hoping to use some of my lunch time to respond and such. Vote count would really help.

 

I think it's 1-1-1 split (noone has 3 votes right now at the least)

 

Why wouldn't he? Look, regardless of your role, if he saw you as Town, then he would have sent you something:
1) Because it's simply not smart to place all his eggs in one basket (basket being Titus).
2) Because there's such a thing as Payback. Even if you can't do anything with it, you could have given it to someone you thought could use it best.

(Weak 3ish) Apparently you claimed multiple roles in the jailchat as an effort to fool ika? Maybe he just assumed you were lying about having no abilities and sent you one as a precaution. This ties back to 1+2, because even if you were telling the truth, there's payback.)

You do have a point in that he might have sent it to someone else, other than Titus, or even split it with Titus. But I don't know who he would have trusted with that as much as you two.
Did Zennith ever mention finding someone other than you Town?

 

Ika believed my claim of executions, as you can see when he slipped it into a daypost
It was more to see if either of them pushed the other early on rather than me, meaning they were going for the execution mislynch

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And wtf is the use of payback at that point. All it does is redistribute gold. Why not provide it to Titus when it's known he can use it AND he's widely townread. Those are the two conditions of gold being useful. It's unequivocally unoptimal to give me any rather than Titus.

In fact, the onus is more on whether Titus lied about receiving any when you consider that

 

Vote Count 3.5
(4 to lynch)

Moridin (1): Irdiumstern
Irdiumstern (1): Moridin
Sloth (1): Titus
Riley Poole (1): Citrus

Abstain (3) blab, Riley Poole, Sloth



This is the Citrus I remember from Dresden, smart, savvy and quite good at using words. The problem is I received 2 gold last night so that kinda puts to rest the missing gold argument anyone might have had. If I live tonight I am going to target someone and try to audit again since there's no one else to bid on. Sloth, we should try to coordinate even if there's a good chance one of us with be Nk'ed.


Titus, you're flip on whom you think is town and who is scum is bewilderingly quick, but the fact that we agree leads me to think that you might be salvagable. Null read for now.


Blab is town and has been for quite a while to me.


Ird is lurking super hardcore honestly. Same with Moridin.


At this point a vote on Citrus is the smart vote, if he flips town than I'm fucked. I'm willing to take the risk of voting for Citrus though because he's been on my scum list since day one. Plus there's no hammer yet. Vote: Citrus

I also want to point out that Ird and Mori voted for each other instead of the current two planned lynches. Why haven't they placed a vote on either myself or Citrus? Potentially one of them is scum/SK and wants to muddy the lynch and potentially stall out this particular lynch to give them more time to kill PRs. We should really be looking at lynching one of them tomorrow.

That said, if you really want to lynch me to confirm Town!status so you feel better about lynching Citrus tomorrow than by all means I implore you to at this point. I also want to make sure that if you do decide I'm the better lynch target then please look at Ird/Mori/Citrus tomorrow.

 

Wait, what the hell?
...Rereading this Day from the start.

 

The gold part and the Citrus line at the beginning are un-correllated, the formatting was lost when I transferred from a word doc.

 

Thanks for the sarcasm

Note that once again, Riley has not placed his vote anywhere

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(even though he is hard core accusing me)

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Wait jk I see the bolded vote

Usually it's better to space it into it's own line

Autolynch Riley tomorrow, peace out

 

So having an opinion on who is scummiest is suddenly a scum tell? Voting for who I think should be lynched at the start of day is a problem? Did you really just try to make that argument?

Like I said, Moridin and Citrus are my top scumreads. I'm surer about Moridin than I am about Citrus, so I voted for Moridin.

Saying there's planned lynches when 4 people have one vote on them is pretty derp.

 

I don't know if there's been a point where anyone's had two votes, let alone any kind of consensus on planned lynched. I don't like Riley's implication that we should stick within that bracket - not to mention that after posting a votal where four different people are being voted for, he then votes for a fifth.

One thing, the discussion point is Zennith's gold distribution, right? In which case Riley's gold last night doesn't matter since it would have come from Lucky.

Riley, can you summarise your Citrus case? You've said it's meta, but what exactly are you looking at here?

 

Having reread, I have questions:

@Titus

Wait, what are you saying here? That your scummates would have warned you if Zennith was going to bring you in so you wouldn’t waste a commute?

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@Riley

…Now you have gold? Wait, you were roleblocked on me, despite not having gold? Can you explain this? I went hunting for it expecting a damning scumtell against you, and now I just think you worded it horribly.
I’m trying to understand the sequence of events here, walk me through it.

…wait, ok, so you have gold now, again? From Maiden (I don’t think Lucky would leave you anything), I assume?
I’d love to coordinate but my ability cost 2 gold, I started with 4, and I used it on Blab and Moridin. I’m broke. Plus we’d need a way for our target not to know we’re targeting, otherwise they can just NK one and RB the other.

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@Citrus

So it’d be stupid and suboptimal (that’s the actual term, by the way) for Zennith to send you gold, yet you discussed Last Wills with him and made plans to distribute any gold he (we can logically assume based on your wording) sent you in case you both died. Explain?

 

1) Riley did not have 0 gold when Zennith died then, thus he had gold last night. Why didn't he audit last night?

2) Suboptimal my bad. I'm trying to reason in hindsight why I didn't receive any gold.

Paraphrased transcription of jailchat 2 (post Titus):

1-Proph: opens QT
2-Citrus: I'm worried about Titus because she asked for Mathblade quickhammer and pushed so hard, then I said I was thinking lynch Irid as first scum target
3-Zennith: Worried about Titus, lynch Irid first sounds good, skeptical of Lucky
4-Zennith: Said will probably die
5-Citrus: Suspicious of Titus ruining my gambit, knows Zennith can't jail
6-Zennith: Asks if I'm thinking Titus third party again
7-Citrus: If she's scum then there's only 3 mafia
8-Proph: Zennith is dead and can no longer post

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Wait Riley you claim you received 2 gold last night from Lucky?

 

I didn't have gold till the end of last night you idiots. I said that.

. I never said who it was from because it didn't tell me.

As for the insta-mori/ird attack. Wow, way to coordinate guys. Can you get any scummier?