What about stripping the skin off of wizard, and filling it full of Clancy?

i.e.

Harry in the Auror corps/unspeakable - but make it all professional like and clancy'd? No need to get the muggle world involved at all if it starts getting out of hand.

On the other hand.. How does the interaction between the muggle and wizarding world go down? In canon - the PM and former PM seem to know of it, through that painting... so what about the rest of the world, and their relations with each other in and between both worlds?

It's a concept worth exploring at the very least - especially for those political!harry fans.

 

'Tis always 'muggles versus wizards', 'guns versus wands', and 'technology versus magic', these sort of plots.

No one ever thinks to do something else, of trying something a little more 'out there', such as muggles (or, more interestingly, wizards), 'pulling a SkyNet': creating something which radically alters the status quo.

Interestingly enough, however, I do not think that throwing a killing curse at a T-800 Infiltrator is going to do any good...except for maybe killing the organic covering...

"I want your clothes, your boots and your Firebolt." (For obvious reasons, I couldn't type 'broomstick' there, as that'd make any potential slash writers/readers out there get all hot and sweaty over that particular fantasy. :facepalm)

 

That's a bit of what I wanted to accomplish, all be it with some action....and I needed a scenario where a small scale conflict occurred between the two to initiate interaction. I also wanted to develop an idea JKR threw away(turmoil between Hermione's parents, giving them more screen time) and how the wizarding world could find it harder to hide as muggle society advanced, with consequences for both sides. I like the idea of not all muggleborns being purely blissfull of the wizarding world and British military intelligence concentrating on that to achieve their own goals of expanding their intelligence on a world they only have possibly recent basic information on(due to new satellite tech and other stuff).

There just hasnt been a compelling fic detailing the general idea of interaction between the two worlds, and I wanted to create a decent way to go about it.

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:awesome How would Terminators be magical though? and Wouldn't they break down in close proximity to magic? If skynet, used by muggles to infiltrate the wizarding world, can get get around atleast the latter, fun times ahead

 

I'd expect that SkyNet would harden the CPU/internal systems of an infiltrator/late T series due to the potential weapons that the Resistance might/could use: EMP, radiation, plasma, etc.

Plus, the T-800 uses a single iridian (spelling?) nuclear fuel cell, with the potential of gathering energy from other sources (such as ambient heat in the atmosphere), whilst the T-850 uses twin hydrogen power-cells and since it is an upgrade of the T-800, I suspect that it'd have the same redundant power capabilities that its earlier model had.

Plus, if another type of infiltrator is sent (see T-X or T-1000), there's not much information on what anything aside from either extreme electromagnetism or extreme heat (eg, molten steel) would do to them.

 

^^ This has to be written . Sure we have to take steps to make sure the universe doesn't explode from the awesome but yeah, shit's gotta be written. I would do it myself if just for fun if school hadn't turned out to be ten times worse than I expected it to be.

But think about it. Muggles create Skynet to kill/defend wizards. Skynet is fabulously successful. After most of the wizards are gone it turns to the Muggles and it's the movies all over again. And then you can branch out. Skynet could send a Terminator back in time to kill the inventor of time-turners/Harry Potter/ Dumbledore/ or even Voldemort(who I've always seen as holing himself up in Azkaban and wreaking havoc from there in an apocalyptic situation) for various reasons. And someone has to go back in time and stop them.

And made worse by the fact that there are prolly humans on the machine sides since wizards have a fuckton of powers and Skynet can only extrapolate so much.

Who wold be sent back would also be interesting. BadassLieutenant!Neville would be fucking

 

I'd think that the killing of wizards would either be a 'bonus' or a 'killing two birds with one stone' sort of deal with Skynet: it sees humans in general, magical or not, as threats to its survival.

Even if (and more likely it didn't know) about wizards, they're still human - hence, targets, magical or not.

Well, Judgement Day itself is always in flux due to the time-travel missions of the Resistance/Skynet itself (it was even avoided in one future, the Terminator II alternate ending), and the technological contamination of the time-stream; the Skynet that was to be developed in Terminator II's 'future' would of been more advanced than the original Skynet incarnation (apparently a 'modified series 4800' from the original Terminator I script) from the original 'Terminator I' future, because its design was partially based upon that of the first T-800's reverse engineered processor that created by the 'first' Skynet, from the first film, thus being a superior 'from scratch' design.

Since the files were stored in an off-site Cyberdyne Systems backup, the Skynet seen in Terminator III is even more advanced than what the Terminator II Skynet incarnation would of been, being software more than hardware.

I'm digressing a bit, but the point is, the timeline (specifically due to the 'Butterfly Effect') is always in flux: having a Skynet incarnation that is either on par or even more technologically advanced than that of the 2003/4 era Skynet (from T3) model in the late 90's is quite possible.

Especially if Judgement Day went down just as the final duel between Harry and Voldemort was just about to commence; seeing dozens of nukes smashing into the ground in the horizon would be a rude shock, as well as seeing "American" vehicles and aircraft equipped with Cyberdyne/Cyber Research Systems CPU's attacking cities world-wide.

Harry Potter and his 'Resistance Cell' having to deal with a now mortal Voldemort (due to the horcruxes being destroyed), and his more fanatical followers, and constantly evolving machines equipped with increasingly deadly weaponry, from bullets to plasma, would be epic.

Somehow, I don't think a killing curse is going to do much good versus a HK-Tank, of any incarnation.

 

I'm pretty sure a Terminator isn't going to work near Hogwarts.

 

Well, they might be safe from the immediate nuclear blasts (depending on where Hogwarts is in Scotland...not exactly sure if it was mentioned in the books?), but possible fallout might make Hogwarts/that surrounding area uninhabitable, eventually.

Plus, whilst the films do show the time-travel missions as being very rare and seemingly resource costly to produce, other series material (such as the television show, books and comics) show them as being done quite frequently by both sides; a mission to assassinate Harry Potter or another notable wizard would be possible.

 

I see battles between the wizards and Skynet kinda being like the war between the Xeelee and humanity- constantly in flux like you said. Wizard loses battalion in battle, wizard sends back word and two battalions go to war. Skynet loses to two battalions, Skynet sends back word and moves base. Over and fucking over again.

I would love to see this from the POV of someone non-magical, it would be fucking head-twisting. But the sheer amount of hopelessness you could wring from it would be awesome, although there'd have to be a limit to how far they can go back, to avoid the war spilling into the present, or having to explain why no one can change it. Maybe it could be done like the Watchmen hand wave. Nuclear holocaust may just have the ability to prevent time travel, whoda thunkit?

And I think GL meant that the saturation of magic in Hogwarts has been shown to fuck with technology.

But the thing most interesting to me is the effect it would have socially. The non-magicals would probably see the ruling wizards as something akin to gods, having inside information on what happens well into the future, well until something changes and everyones fucked. I can't even imagine the toll it would take on Harry to constantly be sending people to their death. John Connor only had to do it a few times.

This is all pointless anyway, or at; least unless someone can figure out a way to weave the Connors and Cameron into it

 

Clarke's Third Law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

What if Terminators are sufficently advanced technology?

 

Having an area that is pretty safe from technology is pretty useless, if it is heavily contaminated by lethal amounts of radiation. (Fallout).

Aside from the insane (eg, Bellatrix, Voldemort), I personally see that the magicals would have no choice but to help the muggles versus Skynet: it's either that, or it's general (muggle and wizard) human extinction.

And Skynet sending something back to murder a wizard? I can see it happening, if the person involved is critical to the future in some form or another.

As for a Terminator being exposed to a clean, magic intense area such as Hogwarts, it depends if Skynet anticipated and developed something to counter-act or minimise this weakness...

 

Fuck Clarke and fuck his third law.

People seriously need to stop treating that saying like it's some kind of Biblical commandment from on high. Especially when they misunderstand it.

He's not saying that magic and technology are the same thing. He's saying that to an ignorant person, advanced technology will appear to be magic. But it isn't.

 

I know that (a lot of writers have built their own corrolaries to it after all)... But what if Terminators can function in highly magical environments because their technology is sufficiently advanced?

 

Why does that make sense?

 

Especially if it was an advanced/modern incarnation of Skynet (see T3/T:S) who spearheaded the technology involved.

Remember, this AI leapfrogged ahead in technological development; what would of taken us (humans) at least a century to create, Skynet took only two to three decades.

Hell, it went from having crude, dumb 'grunt' machines covered in rubber latex to highly sophisticated killing machines covered in real flesh and blood within a single decade!

 

Especially if Skynet keeps human wizards to interrogate and use... That would lead to some awesome fucking Terminator's too, I wonder what a competent wizard-killer would be packing.

 

Honestly? I think that Skynet would probably just do an upgrade to the hardware/software of its existing battle units (like it did with the T-850 from the T-800); wizards or not, humans are just humans to Skynet, and humans are to be exterminated.

 

Just make a Harry/Fem!Terminator (aka summer glau) smut fic and move on.

 

While the complex character development between John and Cameron was pretty deep in the TV-series, the series itself still lacked the charm that the films had.

That is probably one of the main reasons why the show got canned.

Also, since the only Terminator involved would be the one hunting him or the wizard target himself/herself...ya know.

 

Yep. What if the Terminator was lured into a magical area by the T-1000 for example? The Terminator would lose function and the T-1000 would win, maybe (think of the end of T2: Judgment Day taking place in Hogwarts or Diagon Alley instead of the mill. Note: This is just an example. It's not like I'm actually advocating it.)