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DC/Marvel-Harry xover

Discussion in 'Story Search' started by GrayFox, Nov 29, 2011.

  1. chriar

    chriar Third Year

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    I vote for either the second or third, leaning towards the third.
     
  2. Ryuugi Shi

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    Second as well.
     
  3. Thaumologist

    Thaumologist Fifth Year ~ Prestige ~

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    The first, although I wouldn't mind the second.
     
  4. Republic

    Republic The Snow Queen –§ Prestigious §– DLP Supporter

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    Tentatively voting for the second, but I would like you to elaborate on the first, and maybe flesh out the second a bit more.
     
  5. Warheart

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    I'd like to see where you take the second one. But the first one also deserves a go at the very least.
     
  6. Bill Door

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    Second. Definitely the second.
     
  7. Oruma

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    Seconding the second one. The third one, being at where Kara is in Siberia, requires from the readers more Suspension of Disbelief and frankly, not as interesting as the other two.
     
  8. yak

    yak Moderator DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    I'm a fan of the first scenario, but the multiple female romantic interests in Harry seem more than a bit Sue-ish. If they're competing interests, then they could make for a decent source of conflict.

    I'm not sure where you're going with “Kara's the only real thing keeping me human”, but it smells a little emo. I'd hope that Harry's "inhumanity" or "wrongness compared to social norms" is something which he's aware of, but is generally unapologetic for. A good comparison would be the Dexter's attitude towards his own inhuman nature. Dex knows he's wrong inside, but doesn't let it concern him most of the time. His sister is the only constant keeping him a little in touch with his humanity; at times others have filled this role, but only until the writers removed them. I only bring Deborah up because Kara could fill a similar anchoring role in Harry's life.

    The second scenario is an okay introduction of Harry's character to DC-verse but that's all it is; an introduction. What's the ongoing plot direction or conflict?

    The third scenario seems like you're pushing too hard to force Harry and Kara together.
     
  9. FreakLord

    FreakLord Professor DLP Supporter

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    Second one sounds something like a story which is complex for reader to enjoy.

    I would go with the first idea because there are not many enjoyable stories out there and we need atleast some before going into complex stories.
     
  10. Jormungandr

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    So the third is completely out, then; although there is some interest in the first, most is focused on the second.

    Yeah, they're competing; Harry grew up in tandem with Kara, so she knows him the best - that's why, despite what's currently going on with him, she still has faith in him. Their relationship dynamic would be very complex.

    Black Canary would be the third point in a triangle; she's attracted to Harry, Harry's in a bit of a dark place at the moment due to fate/circumstances and so is pretty messed up, Oliver is attracted to Black Canary, and this causes tension between the League members, because he's a little jaded towards Harry.

    Batgirl started having a crush on him, and flirted/bantered with him - this pretty much pissed Kara off, and caused a bit of tension in their friendship, but when she became Oracle and Harry went 'off the rails' (the time-frame of the story), whatever they have now is purely platonic, though she does often wonder 'What if?'

    Pretty much; past history and confused-feelings muddle things with him and Kara, and she's basically the only thing, that little voice/conscience in the back of his head, that stops him from literally stringing Joker up by his intestines whilst tearing out his spine for a harmonica.

    I'm probably going to have a little trouble walking the fine edge between emo/angst and keeping things on track, but if I'm careful, I may be able to pull it off.

    Harry's pulled, kicking and screaming, into the DCU to become the foil of an ancient, horrifying evil. I'm taking inspiration from the Cthulhu mythos (the theme, tone, etc) for this. This would form the 'backbone' of the plot, while numerous arcs/'ribs' (which develop the story/characters/relationships) kick in, leading up the end of the over-arching plot/the 'Big Bad'.

    Yeah, now that you mention it...
     
  11. Amoral Philosopher

    Amoral Philosopher Seventh Year

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    My vote is definitely for the second premise. It seems to have the most intriguing plot, not to mention anything involving the Endless is awesome.

    The first option comes in at a distant second, but still sounds interesting enough.
     
  12. yak

    yak Moderator DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    I definitely want to read the first scenario now.

    Does Oracle sorta support Black Canary in her pursuit of Harry? Oliver/Green Arrow is a giant douche and if Oracle thinks that she can save both of her friends by pushing Harry and BC together, then she might try to manipulate the situation... and perhaps subconsciously live her "What if?" relationship vicariously through BC.

    Oh, dear. Now you've got me wildly speculating. The fic seems to draw its strength from character interactions. Not easy, but rewarding.

    You haven't mentioned a specific plot beyond the character conflicts between heroes. Is this going to be primarily a character driven story, or is it action driven and you're keeping quiet about the plot details?

    The second scenario seems to have an action driven plot, which is something I usually prefer, but not always. One problem you might have with it is keeping the reader engaged with an insane, hallucinating Harry Potter for what seems like a fairly lengthy introduction and running fight sequence until he presumably runs into eventual sanity/Kara. It can be hard for the reader to relate with an insane character.

    I like the idea of drawing on Lovecraftian horror for tone. Will Harry have cultists? Nasty little buggers who cut lightning scars into their foreheads, [insert nasty behaviours which venerate HP here], and worship the Chosen One.

    If you can't decide which scenario to go with, then you could write a test scene from both and see what they look like.
     
  13. Sero Dace

    Sero Dace First Year

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    A long time ago, I posted a search request for a long HP/Spiderman crossover. Today, by accident, I stumbled over it. It is old, it is barely recommendable, both in writing and plot, but it was a guilty pleasure and at the time I thought it to be a great story.

    I am going to reread it know and perhaps add a better review here, since the story isn't mentioned in this thread as far as I can tell. Shame, because it is 172K words already.

    Marvel Knights by texaswookie

    http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3607384/1/Marvel_Knights
     
  14. Alive and Free

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    @Jorm: I have to ask this question because I've learned not to assume when it comes to DLP - Harry isn't in his native dimension, right?

    Also, the first option: what do you mean about Harry's powers being the reason for him being dark?
     
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  15. Zyphere

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    +1 for the first option because of the inclusion of Black Canary/Dinah Lance and Batgirl/Oracle/Barbara. I miss the days of Gail Simone's run on Birds of Prey :rolleyes:
     
  16. Jormungandr

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    You know, I never actually considered that. That's pretty fucking awesome; mind if I use it?

    Little of both, but mainly for the former; character interactions and development are my weakest, and I want to build up/work on this angle/skill.

    If he starts batshit insane, and then slowly stabilises (if you can call it that) into being just unbalanced (being the catalyst so the narrative can eventually become more traditional), would that work?

    I may have to; I'm really torn between one and two.

    I'll check it out; thanks, man!

    Power of Oa/Last Lantern have the two universes in the same time/space, though there are so many problems with that (especially with DC's vast background/histories) that it can be crippling.

    Thing is, if I go for one and have him dumped into another dimension, that'd leave his original story untold/Voldemort still around - I may as well write a 'from scratch' OC with black hair and green eyes, and call him Harry Potter, if I do that .

    So, kinda flummoxed on that, currently.

    I've got a rough idea, but I need to hammer it all down in a proper character sketch; it's all a bit of a mess, at the moment, but I can say that his powers wouldn't be the things that make him 'dark', but be a sympton of it.

    I have no idea what's going on with the New 52 version; Poison Ivy? :facepalm

    I gotta admit though, Black Canary's reinvented costume is the only good-looking one in the New 52, atm.
     
  17. yak

    yak Moderator DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    Of course not. Use whatever you want. :)

    You need advice from some good fanfic authors about that. I've got no idea.

    :awesome If you're stuck, then solicit WbA for opinions on the two test pieces. You might hook some great advice.

    You could always draw inspiration from the world of comic books if you want to have Harry crossover from his native 'verse to DC's. When HP characters react to his death/disappearance, you can cut away with a simple note: [* The Wizarding World's story is continued in Neville Longbottom and his Amazing Chlorophyll Army, Issue #1!]. That gives enough information that readers know that the HP'verse story continues, and because you framed it as a comic book story the reader subconsciously knows that eventually the good guys win.
     
  18. Alive and Free

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    Since you're going pre-New 52 and just using DC elements, not established plot lines, you could have metas and superheroes be a recent thing, elminating the clash between the wizarding world and their background.

    You could, as a subplot, have how the emerging superheroes (particularly the ones who are magical in nature) threaten to unravel the Statute of Secrecy - at least that's an idea I might try and work into the story I'm trying to put together.
     
  19. Jon

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    You cunts.

    I want to read more HP/Comic crosses now. :(

    fucking update Clash of the Titans, Sinclair. :|
     
  20. Jormungandr

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    Could try writing one yourself, Jon; seems this thread has kicked off a little wave.

    Also, you too, Syaoran; I know you're lurking in this thread, ya bastard. :)
     
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