I would write one if I actually had the time and writing skills to pull it off. however, when thinking about it, I am faced with many of the same problems that Jor is. How to make the crossover work?

I think you should look into the writing of The Writer With no Name and his amazing marvel/DC crossover, bringing both worlds together rather smoothly. His writing is at times too fluffy and probably way too detailed and descriptive for the average DLP'er, but his stories are, the plots deviate more and more from canon as the two worlds entwine, starting with a young Superman joining the X-men Evolution verse, gradually delving into the rest of the world, a whole cast of characters, the Justice League and a pretty detailed historical, cultural and technological insight into Krypton. And unlike Ben10987654321, who focuses mostly on romance and drama in his stories, Writer has plenty of action. One of my favorite stories on FFN. You should like into the blending of origins to make it work. (For example, one of the chapters in book 3, with MXLPCLT (sp?), that fourth dimension is interwoven smoothly with Marvel's Thor)

Alternatively, you can go for the dimensional travel like in Terminal Justice. I don't know how old or powerful you want to make Harry initially, but if you intend for him to be one of the Endless, he could actually become one of the inter-dimensional beings or gain inter-dimensional responsibilities as the 'Master of Death', acting as a semi-mortal agent of Death (especially if the actual death is like the cool guy from the Supernatural Teelevision show) to restore balances in his own unique way. Or, one thing I explored is drunk apparition as the start of ending up in the wrong dimension. I didn't handle it very well, myself, but at least it isn't too cliche to my knowledge. This could lead to a frantic harry looking for a way home, even explaining a light insanity as he might think this is all an elaborate hallucination, mind game or curse...

I personally don't see a full crossover, with both verses being on the same world working well, unless you go more AU with HP-canon. If the Statute of Secrecy is broken, it would lead to a massive power disparity. A mere hundred Superheroes, few of which can actually defend against magic, with many of the powerhouses outright vulnerable to it or vulnerable to things that magic can easily produce/conjure (ex: Martian - Incendio), against a million or more wizards worldwide, even if most of those don't get involved, is undoable. Unless...

If you count Durmstrang, Beauxbatons and Hogwarts as the ONLY magical schools in Europe, one would get a much smaller population. In the wake of a much more wide-spread and devastating Blood War, there might be little left in the way of the Wizarding World and perhaps the backlash of whatever 'final' moment having been the catalyst that leads to the increasing amount of Metahumans and beings like Zatanna and Fate entering the scene?

 

So, I’ve got a couple of ideas for a crossover. One’s influenced by Power of Oa and its rewrite in the family dynamic between HP and the League but I’m not sure if that’s going to get off the ground. I’ve got another one where Zeus is Harry’s grandfather which would drop Harry into the Wonder Woman New 52 comics – this would see the Master of Death face off against the Queen of the Gods (I’m not sure how that would work out – I’m hovering between a draw and Harry getting his ass kicked).

The story I like most wouldn’t really draw on any established DC storylines. Basically Harry – who has a different background than in canon – ends up in Hell at the age of 19, despite being the only apprentice of Albus Dumbledore, the defeater of Voldemort and a fully empowered Master of Death. Being Harry Potter he breaks out of Hell through the only gate leading to Earth – the gate that opens onto Themyscira.

He breaks out and finds himself confronted by the Amazons who react as you might imagine to his presence. In the ensuring dustup Harry incapacitates a bunch of Amazons who don’t believe his assertion that he’s human and just plain despise him for being male. During the fight no one notices the being that followed Harry out of Hell escaping.

Harry makes good his escape, mere moments before Wonder Woman arrives to help battle the ‘demon’, sending her off in search for him.

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Harry discovers that more than a decade has passed in the real world since he was sent to Hell and finds that his friends have moved on without him. He struggles to reconnect with people who’ve built lives after his death.

He finds out that since he’s been gone metahumans and superheroes have started appearing around the world.

Diana tracks Harry and while she’s eventually convinced that he’s human she’s still wary of the effects that 10 years in Hell might have had on him.

Harry and Diana are forced into an alliance when they realise that something else escaped from Hell. I’m not sure what the something is but it’ll probably be influenced by Lovecraft.
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And that’s as far as I’ve got.

Thoughts?

 

The plot with Harry in Hell could definitely work and lead to an interesting Harry/Diana pairing or interaction. I would be interested for one, though personally, I still see the problem of there being too many wizards and witches to make superheroes effective, unless you make the Wizarding world more isolationistic, giving a good reason for a nearly complete separation from the rest of the world. Perhaps strict guidelines from the muggle governments for the magicals not to interfere at all after the Voldemort debacle?

This would definitely put harry in the middle, as by the time he gets back, he is definitely involved in the DC side of the world...

 

An easy way to do the actual crossover would be to start it during flashpoint on the cross between pre 52 and new 52. So have Harry and magic appear as a consequence of the new 52. well the rest of the page at least. Using that you can then make Harry's or magic's appearance a consequence of the Flash's actions. The Flashpoint scenario give many opportunities for Harry to appear.
Another way to have him show up is that's the future that the Flash's mom didn't die in the magical world was forced to reveal themselves and somehow when the Flash goes back to the regular, now New 52 timeline, Harry somehow tags along.

Edit: sorry for the spelling and/or grammar mistakes typing this with 102 fever.

 

Is it odd to say that this track is strangely inspiring for an anti-hero/Angel of Death!Harry?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6vK9kMwEkc

 

Yeah, Poison Ivy in the lineup did seem kind of random at the time and the other member is new to DC...I think. To me, Birds of Prey will always be Gail Simone's lineup of Oracle, Black Canary, Huntress, and Zinda.

Black Canary's new outfit still has to grow on me though...Maybe it's just the artist. Ed Bene's version of her outfit is definitive BC for me.

http://blog.newsarama.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10087/Long_Coat_Black_Canary_1.jpg

Something about that coat...

 

The whole Harry in Hell might be very good, as DC Hell has that ultimate Library of Magic that Faust was after. SO exposure to such a range of magics would give him a great deal of power.

 

...Damn, did Syed just make a sensible post?

 

I think so - I'm as shocked as you.

@Syed: I didn't actually consider that. It's definitely something to think about. Thanks.

 

Dear lord! Apocalypse must be coming. Syed made sense.

Harry passing through hell think is a plot bunny wich I thought to use for Dresden Files crossover.

Nunuh had a story where Harry goes to Hell ,or Abyss or somewhere similar, called The Binding I believe. What happened to that story anyway?

 

In many stories or universes, Hell or hell like places often have access to large amounts of knowledge, as they are out side of this plane of existence, how they perceive earth is different. Some are said to be able see the past, present or future all at once. That is why demons are summoned so often, to get access to their knowledge.

 

Two sensible posts from Syed (A&F looks outside and sees a flying pig).

On a more related note - it's a good idea but I want Harry to be a badass before he goes into Hell which is why I threw in the apprentice of Dumbledore idea. Though, thinking about it I might work that in as the reason why Harry ends up in Hell.

Say, Bad Guy X tries to gain access to all that knowledge and Harry, being a general good guy, tries to stop him and things go wrong, ending up with Bad Guy X dead and Harry in Hell.

Cheers Syed.

 

His blood protection turn Quirrel to ash, what would it do to demons?

 

Demons probably won't contain a piece of Voldemort, or even bear his mark.

 

Syed, you had such a great streak going. LOL I kid. The Library of Magic is a fantastic idea - giving him access to it and then confronting him with the superpowers of the DC world.

I LOVE this idea by Alive and Free. You can really make this feel like an overwhelming epic of a story. Witnessing the birth of a new age, the age of superheroes, the trauma of hellfire and brimstone. The lost, diminished connection to his past. Ron, Hermione, his classmates, have all moved on, and even though they're reluctant to be blunt about it, they don't need him in their lives anymore. Great potential for conflict, backstory, character interaction, Harry's character depth, the plot is conducive to every conceivable dimension of the story.

The Library of Magic could be done so interestingly. Like Harry having to pay a certain price each time he enters for knowledge. Him finding a book that could prove instrumental in defeating this Lovecraftian threat. It could lead into a storyline into tracking down the author, an interesting lore character, in another dimension/realm, etc. A lot of things that can be done with this great idea.

Harry would first claw his way through the circles of hell, enduring torments and rivers of fire scalding his flesh. He sees unimaginable and eternal human suffering. He, alone of all souls, is bereft of his magic in death but has the willpower to climb his way back up, not knowing what to find. Maybe he encounters other souls who helps him on the way, but weren't strong enough to make it all of the way.

And none of these souls are the heroes from the past, or from myth. Just old souls who have endured eons of torment and damnation, but who have been inspired by this purest soul. From all walks of life, men, women, children, spirits, they throw off their shackles and follow him

He navigates his way to the Library to reclaim his magic. Epic, epic battle with its guardians, feels a life-giving rush as he becomes a wizard once more. Probably doesn't work that way in DC canon, but fuck that.

And some of his helpers and companions made it to the nexus of hell and earth with him, but reenter the world in several places. They've all died and returned, which marks them as people with unique properties that might prove crucial against the Lovecraftian entity.

That opens another road in the plot - Harry tracking down the friends who helped him escape. This marks the emotional turning point where Harry is able to let go of Ron, Hermione - all the people who have drifted away and are now indifferent to him. He realizes that the people who met in the underworld are friends who've gone to Hell and back with him.

You have an epic first arc with Harry breaking free of hell, emerging into the world again, adjusting period where he's simply experiencing life again, gets entangled in the affairs of heroes, plot escalates as enemy emerges, and finally, at end of the road, an uplifting and amazing ending.

It's just grand in conception and scope, with a wealth of things begging to be written. This blows both of my other ideas out of the water - can I have your permission to take this idea, Alive?

 

Do it, Andro.

DO IT.

 

God yes. I'm in love with the idea of your story. You've taken my very basic premise and given it a depth that I never could.

That said, if I ever have five free minutes I'm still going to try and write it myself.

I don't think the Library of Magic will play a role beyond what I mentioned in my previous post. Having just reread Changes I am thinking that maybe Harry's magic doesn't work in Hell but he can use his willpower like Donar does. He has this advantage over normal people in Hell because he's the Master of Death.

@Andro - write!, write!, write!

Edit: I'm thinking of moving away from a Lovecraft monster and using something from the Ars Goetia. Maybe Bael, Agares or Zepar.

 

So long as there's a scene where people of his past realise how much they've lost by 'letting him go', I'll be happy.

 

It's not so much 'letting him go' as it is coming to terms with his 'death'.

My fic wouldn't have many people who have to 'let him go' anyway. I'm taking a bit of advice from Heather's Clash of the Titans and giving him a different background. So no big Weasley family.

@Andro - I just realised something. You've got Harry eventually being able to let go of the people who have drifted away from him and became indifferent. I don't think that's right though, at least not how you've put it.

These people haven't become indifferent to him - they're not friends who've just drifted apart over the years. Instead Ron, Hermione or whoever you have as his friends, are still his friends but they thought he was dead and mourned him and moved on. I think when he returns there's going to be an effort from both sides to reignite this great friendship that they had, a friendship that was, quite literally, cemented during a war but they're going to find some pretty insurmountable obstacles in their way - for Ron/Hermione/??? they've got families and lives that have no place for Harry while Harry is becoming embroiled in this other quest and maybe his old friends don't want to get involved in something that doesn't directly threaten them like Voldemort did, maybe they're in a comfortable rut and the idea of life and death combat doesn't sit as well with them as it did when they were sixteen and thought that they were invincible.

At least that's the angle I'm taking. I think that Harry will be closest to Dumbledore, that he'll have the easiest time reconnecting with a man whose private life is his school.

Plus I just want to write a great-wizard!Harry! and Dumbledore vs demon horde fight scene.

 

Yes but you remember what DD said about Love leaving marks behind wich can't be seen. It would be interesting if it was played in to story.