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Abandoned Death, In Glory by Apocolypso-33 - M

Discussion in 'The Alternates' started by Garret P.I., Jan 12, 2008.

  1. Hobbes

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    It's a good book, one of my favorites.
     
  2. Vtigo

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    This fic is not bad, I think it would work so much better as naruto/300 CO instead of HP/300.
     
  3. Gullible

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    I beg to differ. I would cringe if it was Naruto/300, Hp/300 actually interests me.
     
  4. Andro

    Andro Master of Death DLP Supporter

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    Naruto sometimes doesn't even work just as Naruto, lol.
     
  5. Perspicacity

    Perspicacity Destroyer of Worlds ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    Never saw 300, but I agree about Pressfield's "Gates of Fire" in this story. In fact, the whole "tree-fucking" thing seems like it was lifted from there, if I'm remembering Gates of Fire correctly.

    Of course a historical Sparta/HP crossover would be slash....
     
  6. Garret P.I.

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    I think that you're confusing SPARTA with ATHENS, friend.

    I'd suggest you check out this site

    Helena P Schrader wrote...
    Now...read that last part carefully because it's conspicuous in what it says about Sparta by talking about the LACK of Homosexuality. Women in Sparta were given a lot more rights and power than anywhere else in Greece, and were treated more like equals. Aristotle's statement therefore implies that Sparta was a society where homosexuality was NOT a part of their society... because the women were being given more rights. He's arguing that if the Spartans would have just embraced homosexuality... that women in their culture would not have been given such rights.

    She continues...
    In fact... Athenians seemed to hold a grudge against Sparta, with Aristotle railing on about how the decline of Sparta was due to the respect Spartans showed their women. Where in the rest of greece, women were treated as chattle, in Sparta girls received public education, were allowed to engage in sports (and even competed and WON events in the Olympics) They could inherit and transfer wealth. They could carry or own as much as they wished... and most telling... were fed the same as their male siblings. The one thing they did not have was a voice in the Spartan assembly, but that has been argued was because only men were required to serve in the military, and the assembly was where wars and adventures were voted upon.

    A telling point is that Aristotle claimed that Spartan men were "ruled by their wives"... and he cited that the freedom of Spartan women as one of two reasons why the Spartan Constitution was deeply flawed.
    He argued that giving women status as equals fostered avarice. (How it did he never explained... he just made shit up and claimed it to be true) the other being the existence of the five Ephors having so much political power... but that's neither here nor there.

    So I think claiming it would be a Slash fic by default is pretty damn inaccurate when viewed historically.
     
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  7. Perspicacity

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    Garret, thanks for the link. I confess, my comment was based not on primary sources, but rather from my memory of an ancient Greek history course I took many years ago. Spartan homosexuality was also mentioned in a recent History channel documentary, but apparently their scholarship may also be suspect.
     
  8. Garret P.I.

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    No prob... the only real way to know a culture is to also look at what other cultures of the time had to say about it.

    Aristotle's comments against Spartan culture... and his reasons stated why he railed against them give us a much needed insight into the culture.
     
  9. yhelo

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    I love this fic. I'm surprised he managed to pull it off. Most people are too ignorant of history to pull it off realistically. I do like the little cultural details. I'm no history major but it is pretty convincing.

    4.5/5
     
  10. Kang

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    Dont know why but i personally loved the crossover. It's so refreshing from the usual;
    1] Dumbledore is stealing Harry's money and is caught arranging marriages with Ginny
    2] Harry finds out from goblins and goes bat shit dark side crazy, and then promotes Griphook to SuperGoblin.
    3] He becomes Jesus, Mohammad, Moses and fucking Superman because he is heir to the most bestest hidden family in the history of magic.
    4] "he then let out a triumphant roar and everyone had their asses blown up in a swirling big pile of steaming sh- magic and he glided over in his white phoenix animagus form. He then screwed a bunch of women."
    5] He has like 50 children because he "always wanted a big family"
    This is truly original and a very good read.
     
  11. KirijamaScion

    KirijamaScion First Year

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    I'm of two minds on this story. Yes its Harry Potter in 300, and thats a little... well I'll not use the words I'm thinking but it gives me pause. It was posted here despite a rule on the law that basically mocks it, and there I'm not sure which came first the law or the story, and I'm not quite motivated enough to look up the posting dates of the rules thread and the story to compare them. But I'll read this in its entirety such as it is sometime and then make a judgement. started first couple chapters and it hasn't yet induced painful bleeding from the eyeballs.



    P.S. "THIS IS HOOOOGWARTS!!!" would indeed be epic
     
  12. kmfrank

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    I agree that "This is Spar...HOGWAAAARTS!" Would be hilarious; however, it would be out of character from what we've seen on Leandros.

    Anyway, this story is very interesting - it's refreshing to see something new, and it was certainly well written, but a lot of it just didn't seem much like Harry Potter to me. Sure, there were elements of similarity - "Those silly european wizards with there wands...real men use spears!" - and I suppose casting spells in Greek vs. Latin wouldn't really do much, but I would personally have liked a few more chapters where the author brings Leandros back to Britain.

    I'll give this a 4/5, but it could increase if he does the return well.

    P.S. Leandros as Defense teacher:

    Draco: "Why are we attacking trees?"
    Leandros: "What did you say to me you ungrateful Athenian boy whore?!"
    Draco (running away): "AAAAH! Daddy!"

    Kevin
     
  13. Aerin

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    Honestly, I found the sheer in-depth research and quantity of information quite refreshing.

    It's nice to see an author that actually checks his references and includes a historical background. Add's an element of depth, IMO.

    Would be intriguing if Voldemort was Persian whilst Harry is "Spartan" if you will. Add's an element of conflict.

    And the reason he used 300 is because few can actually properly visualise ancient societies. 300 was an example many looked at if just due to the blatant, glorious violence displayed.

    The magic system was quite innovative and very creative. And I happen to agree with the tracing of runic characters in mid-air for the use of a spell. It's both a limiter, an informer and also theoretically a magnifier for a spell.

    I'd say 4/5 overall, for historical accuracy.

    As for how he get's back...possible "Rubber-band" theory. He's been gone from his time, the "rubber-band" of his disappearance has stretched to it's limit so it will snap back and rip him from the Spartan time to modern time.

    Also, it will be good to see how Harry responds to all the modern inventions!

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    Harry curiously poked the microwave. A second later and the weird box began to emit sounds and lights. Stepping back, Harry lifted his spear and impaled the box on his spear. As soon as he did that, an electrical shock raced up the spear and hit Harry. Acting almost like a banisher, the charge blasted Harry off his feet and into the wall. "Fucking magic-box"

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    *Cackles*

    Regards
    Aerin
     
  14. Averis

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    I know nothing about this story, but from what I can see in the reviews, one thing is obvious: someone has to write "MADNESS? THIS IS HOGWARTS". As much as people gripe about these kinds of crossovers (although this one is certainly well-received) someone should parody it. I don't know how well it would turn out, but it would be worth the read if done correctly.

    I'll try to read this story when I get the chance though. It sounds promising.
     
  15. KlavoHunter

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    I can't wait to see how the author reconciles adult!Harry with being returned to the 'present time' with Hogwarts.

    AFTER the Battle of Thermopylae, of course. :p
     
  16. Aerin

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    I doubt it's after.

    All the Spartans were slain at the Hot Gates, so it will probably be during the battle/ a moment before dying so he is denied his beautiful death and becomes the "emo" Harry we're all used to.
     
  17. KlavoHunter

    KlavoHunter Second Year

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    An emo Spartan?

    Dear God, what have you DONE?



    But yeah. Harry inevitably is going to be hurled back to Wizarding Britain late in the Battle of Thermopylae, whether it be at the very end after the Spartans' encirclement, or perhaps as the "Persian Magicians" take to the field against the Spartans - in this case, magicians indeed, rather than gunpowder grenadiers!
     
  18. Oujou Akaash

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    heh! Do you really think he would become emo? Spartans live a life an death situations in every battle. But it's understandable. I'm guessing he would be transferred towards the future in that second before death.

    But one thing i can't wrap my mind around is how is a character from the past adapt to the modern world? I dunno about you but if i come from a primitive world and then suddenly see buildings that reach the sky and flying things with no magic I'd probably shit my self.
     
  19. Methene

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    He wouldn't become emo, but there would be some emotional distress. Remember a Spartan woman tells her son "Come back with this shield, or upon it." By being transported into the future just before his comrades were slaughtered mercilessly by the Persian Archers, would make him feel as if he had betrayed them. Still, he would not slit his wrists, wear eye shadow and be all "goffik". I have faith this won't happen.

    As to the second point, I think you give people too little credit. Would you "shit your self" if you were transported into the future to something equivalent to the Star Wars universe. No you wouldn't. You might be intrigued, curious, but you wouldn't freak out like a 15 year old Scottish virgin on Prima Noctum.

    Being from an age where everything that was not understood was explained through deities, Harry would probably consider everything in the Modern world as the work of Zeus, Poseidon and Hades.

    And while the filthy muggles have their shiny crutches for magic, the Wizarding world would not be that far removed as to have him go batshit insane.
     
  20. Aerin

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    True.

    He'd equate the Ministry to the Ephors.

    There are parallel's that can be drawn to aid them.

    But if Harry almost get's hit by a car...:D

    Spears the engine and blasts the car apart :D

    Fortunately, the feminine entanglements wouldn't be so bad since Spartan women were treated as equals as far as I know, so no sexism problems.
     
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