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Diablerie by belleradh - M

Discussion in 'Trash Bin' started by DarthBill, May 29, 2009.

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  1. DarthBill

    DarthBill The Chosen One DLP Supporter

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    Really, he's not acting emo at all. He hasn't been bitching about being "abandoned" or screwed. He was pissed at the Ministry, but it is still fresh enough that I don't think he has had time to come up with any ideas yet about what to do.
     
  2. belleradh

    belleradh Murder Princess DLP Supporter

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    Oddly I agree with you on this one, strange as it may be for me to do so. This was written as a fun project, and it irritates me to need to backtrack here and deal with arguments that have no basis. But since public domain is that, I have to deal with the same irritations that make me hate coffee shops and shopping malls. One can never seem to escape human nature.

    ___!Harry tags that fail by definition. Creature Harry would not consider other people's emotions, or worry on his own somewhat questionable sanity in the situation. Emo Harry would not laugh at his own issues, or take it so lightly. Human beings have angst, joy, and fugue states. Putting a trendy tag on a story does not mean it will sit neatly in it. Hell, lets add some for ourselves as well. I'll take BitchQueen!Writer for 500, Alex.

    I'll address this once. I get irritable easily when people have baseless arguments, and my patience for explanations is not on Taure's level.
    1. I have a Ministry that logically does not like demons, a reasonably assumed dark creature. So, to minimize damages that possessed persons can do, they remove their rights till either the possession ends (usually in death) or permanently.
    2. I don't imagine the ICW would like them either, and has a blanket mandate to kill-on-sight. This on it's own would trickle down to requiring affected governments to have laws in place that classify demons as non-humans.
    3. Non-humans have shitty rights in Magical Britain. Hence, seizure of stuff, to reinforce the first point. Who cares who's stuff - likely Remus had the same problems. You never hear about him having vaults, or property either, but I bet he had a family and they had a home. Gasp. Wonder what happened to all that?!
    4. Friends - Reread the section. Hermione is sympathetic, the Twins haven't been given a chance to say anything yet, but he expects them to be alright. I don't see much betrayal there.
    5. Ron and Ginny are paranoid, due to history. Remember the diary? Ron has a history of jumping to conclusions, and also a history of backtracking, hard.
    6. Luna was only really introduced in this year, so she isn't a friend, and can't be turning on Harry. This is her first contact with him, due to Ginny pulling her into the carriage.
    7. If Harry had written them off completely, he would NOT HAVE SAID what he did - leaving the door open to them. He understands this is a Big Deal, but is not up for trying to win that war. He wants them to come to him, and as of yet, we've seen the span of a train ride and the opening feast. Who makes decisions of that scope in that timeframe?
    8. Dumbledore has his own agenda. We know it. No need to restate it. Thanks to this, he would push that idea if Harry were threatened with destruction, to his own ends. Hence, why he is so basically involved, and why Hogwarts is an issue. He can't keep a eye on Harry elsewhere. He used tools at his disposal, and secured Harry. HE secured Harry.
    9. Harry did not choose to return to Hogwarts. He was not given a choice. Whether he stays or goes, is yet to be seen - assumptions on this are foundless at this point.
    10. Fudge hates Harry thanks to end of Yr.4 issues, and will try to push for maximum means to marginalize him. Harry, given what he's been told, knows this and understands that he is an untrained, resourceless child lacking any rights and to openly defy that system would be a death sentence. Really, what do you expect a 15 year old to manage against an openly hostile government?
    11. Complaints about 'real' behavior are moot, with the argument versus "Emo/Angst Harry" as well. Pick a side of the fence, and stop waffling. Harry is placed in a position he knows nothing about, and has less idea on how to deal with it. Either he reacts badly, excessively and likely gets himself killed, or plays along to see what options he has. Figure it out. Canon Harry is ignorant, not stupid.
    My point, in summary is this. One chapter does not allow for enough material to see basis in half the arguments I've seen. I do not discount your arguments, as they are valid, with the previously published material to work with. I can easily see this falling into the "Azkaban" or as stated "Betrayal" niches.

    I'm not playing those cards. I don't care about working with government other than laying out the 'why' of Harry's isolation, or restricting his pool of human resources as to make him depend on himself. If it wasn't obvious, perhaps now it is.

    BitchQueen signing off.
     
  3. KrzaQ

    KrzaQ Denarii Host DLP Supporter

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    I guess you are right on couple of points, but still, these things are just like slash: instant Ctrl+w.

    I also have a couple of questions regarding canon and Harry's humanity/behavior.

    We know that prophecy is true and that only Voldemort can kill Harry (else, the demon would devour him), so why is he playing nice with the Ministry? He knows they can't do anything to him (well, maybe contain), and yet, he acts as if nothing happened.

    In canon Ministry seemed unable to confiscate properties of known and sentenced (with or without trials) Death Eaters, Sirius Black being prime example of that. Harry's case doesn't differ that much, and I certainly don't see Goblins helping humans in any way.

    Uh, and last, but I guess you can bend the rules a little here. How come the Ministry detected the "summoning" or whatever it was in Harry's case and completely ignored Voldemort's rebirth?
     
  4. Tinn Tam

    Tinn Tam Review Goddess Retired Staff

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    Hey, here's an idea! Why don't I write a sticky to warn people against submitting fics that only have one chap-- oh wait.

    EDIT:

    Thread Locked until there is something more consistent to criticise -- besides clichés that aren't written yet, that is. Also, probably safe to do it before you all nip that fic in the bud with the genre-related fears and reserves.

    I swear. I just need to read your posts to get writing-menopause.
     
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  5. belleradh

    belleradh Murder Princess DLP Supporter

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    No worries there, understand it well enough. I get that way with HHr some days.

    Mkay!

    We know it, yes. Harry may not have come to that possible-invincibility conclusion. He also may not believe it - remember his opinion of Divination and it's professor. There are always ways to break the rules. Perhaps he's worried that he no longer counts as "Harry Potter" now, with another personality/soul resident.

    Unable or Unwilling? There is a difference. We see three families who have Azkaban issues: Black, Malfoy, Lestrange. That's one thing - the accused/convicted is still human. There could be heirs, could be later legislation. Now, we have NOT seen demi-humans with vaults - discounting Goblins themselves, but as there are not restrictions as harsh as werewolves on them, I can't class them in the same area. Another hole there is in the Fidelius. Such a charm could defeat the Ministry, in the case of Grimmauld, which was never searched by Aurors to my knowledge. I suppose the bottom line there is how nasty the Ministry wants to be. I'm going for pretty nasty. Harry may very well be perfectly in control, but the fact of possession will let them slam the book on his right to anything from a trial to a hearing - human laws are for humans. He's crossed the line.

    As for the Goblins, I'm not going into the politics. I'm considering them an extension in business to the Ministry, working off an equally neutral stance. If the Ministry wants something done, then it's done, but there's always wiggle room (Bill and Harry's small personal affects - letters and such.)

    Money talks. It's established that one or more of the heavy political factions are Death Eaters or loyalists. But that's not really important, since it wasn't covered in canon either.

    Magic happening at Privet was, in Yr.2. Harry's outburst resulted in some effects I added for detail work, but were essentially accidental magic. The alarms would have gone off, in that case. There may be a sensor in the Dept. of Mysteries that tracks dimension breaches, like a summoning of that grade. I didn't nail it down because it wasn't terribly important. There's enough precedent for people watching Harry to have it happen, so I didn't sweat the details. I just needed the DoM to get him, and Dumbledore to 'ride to the rescue' for that arc.

    Think that covers your questions. :)
     
  6. KrzaQ

    KrzaQ Denarii Host DLP Supporter

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    I'm pretty sure it was unable. Both sides hated Sirius, blood purists for being "a muggle-lover", and "the light side" for his apparent betrayal. What's more, after he escaped, they were unable to block his access to his account, and I seriously doubt that they were unwilling at that moment.

    Also, I don't think there is a way that Harry doesn't know of his partial invincibility. He knows the prophecy and he knows that it works (or the demon girl would have killed him, and she told him exactly that).
     
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