Problem with Akali is, As soon as the enemy tank got an oracles, all I coud do was wait for the fight to start and try to pick someone off, instead of the “go in, kill, laugh at enemy team, escape, repeat“ routine.

 

Well, at that point you just need coordination, and on rare occasions, it's actually worth it to kill the tank first if you have the means to do so in a timely manner.

 

I think I messed up when typing that out. I meant to say when it comes down to Ultimates, Akali can be ok if she hasn't wasted her shroud, provided nobody on the team has oracles/a pink handy, or I guess if you're struggling a Rengar/TF.

Her ult generally isn't kill-all-or-die-trying like Kat's. She has to sit there for I believe it's 3 seconds? Susceptible to CC stopping her, or exhaust just wrecking her damage so she can be ignored. Of course Exhaust might not be available or potentially not used on her if there's a bigger threat such as a Jax or a Kha'Zix or something like that.

Akali's ult is the leap, right? I've never really sat down and read her kit so I can't be sure, but if so then it doesn't really matter too much as odds are she'll just hop to someone else and get away unless people focus her down (which rarely happens around 1350, unless you pop her first because you caught her/your team's aware of how dangerous she can be).

My mistake, and thinking on it now I've had some sleep, I guess ccing both of them's pretty devastating unless Akali has shroud, though she can't use it if she's stunned etc. I still think overall I prefer Akali as Kat relies on resets.

Edit; On another note, Threash has been revealed! Thoughts?

Lot of people have been discussing him as a support/jungler because of his skillset and generally weak ratio's. I'm not so sure myself. I feel like his W will be great for getting your ADC, or anyone out of a sticky situation but the animation on his q seems too long (PBE is PBE). I'd argue he lacks sustain but his e grants a shield so it's difficult to say. I don't play on the PBE so I can't say how his passive works as a support but some people said you can easily get a soul or 2 a wave.

As for his ult... Basically a Veigar stun without the stun component. Useful to catch someone or in an AoE comp though I imagine, because the Amumu/MF combo isn't already devastating enough. Be interested to see some footage of him later after some tweaks.

 

How the fuck are you all seeing Kats played if they're still going gib or be gibbed?

The only ones I see work like that now are baddie Kats. She's supposed to be extreme clean-up crew, not the main bursters.

She builds MPen Tanky AP with DFG to roll a low HP squishy then beat everyone else via sustained chain spamming. A kat that relies on Ulti or bust is pre-remake Kat.

 

Hey, Evan, do you know how to not be a condescending bastard? Vash can do it cause he does it with style (and is an admin). Gio gets away with it cause he knows what the fuck he talks about. Coyote gets away with it cause he is funny as fuck.

You don't have any of those. You're just a dick with an attitude. So, tell me, are you even CAPABLE of not being an insulting douche? I'm seriously doubting your capability to be anything more than an asshat.

To answer your question: Cause some people are slow to change? Or some people don't like that playstyle? Hmmm.

 

TBQH, current kat is broken OP in any sort of non-organized play.

She has 45% MS on a 4 second cd (BEFORE CDR), a 700 range jump on a 6 sec cd, that also grants 15% damage reduction with 50% uptime (BEFORE CDR, ONCE AGAIN), no resources that need any management, wave clearing that can stand up to pretty much every other mid with few exceptions, absurdly high damage ultimate in the early and mid game, and the most retarded reset mechanic ever made.

This stupidly stacked and broken kit makes it so that she has absolutely no lane counters. The only lane counters she had were Diana and Cho'Gath, and they nerfed Diana into the ground because she was op (fuckin lol). Cho'Gath shrugs off her infinite damage with his infinite sustain, but she just needs to go gank another lane to "win" that match up, because it isn't like Cho can easily kill Katarina.

A ball was seriously dropped at Riot because current Katarina is the stupidest thing I've seen in game since release Xin Zhao. She absolutely destroys at 14-1900 elo because of her retardedly stacked skillset and she isn't being addressed because that broken power doesn't translate into the tournament scene.

Katarina is a skillless piece of shit champ that is the only one to replace Teemo on my "please remove from game" list. Do you want to learn Katarina?
1. Learn to smartcast.
2. Upload your pentakills to youtube.
3. Profit

There is a reason she is the champ who has the most videos on youtube, beating out even Leesin who has the easiest time of making videos that simulate pro-plays made by mouth-breathing-door-knob fucking retards. Katarina has a "high skill-cap" in the sense that you need to know how to smart-cast, but after that she has an extremely low skill-ceiling, because once you know how to smart-cast, you've mastered Katarina. Part of the reason she hasn't been nerfed is that her broken OP kit is made for pub-stomping, not organized play, and that so many people don't know how to smart cast her and so can't play her anywhere near her full potential.

Here's a list:
1. 6 second cd 700 range teleport to friends, enemies, or wards, before CDR.
2. 15% damage reduction with 50% uptime, before CDR.
3. No resource management.
4. Resetting abilities on kill or assist.

Take any TWO of those and you already have the makings of a strong champion. Katarina has fucking all of them between her Shunpo and passive, and her other three abilities aren't bad either (read: stupid strong before getting their stupid assist resets).

Before anyone points out that organized play is what matters so who cares about pub-stomping, FUCK YOU, FUCK YOU, FUCK YOU. I play this game for pubs. I don't have time to do any organized play often. When I do "organize," it's a me and a bunch of people who only want to fight somewhat mindlessly, more of a zerg-rush than a team engage. Katarina is a stupid champ, end of story.

 

How do you lane against a Katarina that comes into lane with 40+ AP at level 1, stands in front of all the minions (both hers and yours) while tossing q, w, e at you every chance she gets if you so much as breathe near her, lasts hits with only autos, and q's you everytime it comes up when you try to farm under tower with 51 AD?

The jungler didn't want to come mid, ever.

(I lost lane so badly...help please)

 

Who were you playing?

 

As with all champs with infinite growth, he'll be a definite late-game beast and it's made even more potent in that he gains three different stats with every "soul" he collects. It also looks like he can last hit quite nicely thanks to the passive on his q.

And from what I see of his abilities, I guess he can be a good initiator with a great deal of utility. The q is like Nautilus' except it appears that the pull is twice and the other guy is rooted for the duration. Seems kind of strong especially with his decent early base.

His w is basically a lifeline for anyone who got caught out of position and he happens to be nearby. A shield plus a nice yank to safety makes him very interesting. It can even be used as a gap closer which can help tremendously in ganks.

The e is either a pull or a minor push which is again nice for either securing a kill or saving someone's life.

And his ultimate is a AoE slow that also does damage. I'm a bit meh on this one since like Veigar's stun, dodge it just by not moving into the walls. It's also quite a bit smaller than Veigar's stun, if I'm looking at it right. But unlike Veigar, Thresh has a pull and a pull/push skill that can force them to touch those walls.

All in all, his kit has a lot of utility with decent early base damage. He's a bit squishy early on with 18 armor and no growth at all unless actively farming but I guess that's why he's recommended for the role of a jungler.

 

I've never seen a DFG Kat since the S3 patch, or hell, before that come to think of it. I can see why it would work but these days Sorc boots & Abyssal's usually enough, I don't recall seeing Liandry's on a Kat. Nor a tanky one.

Admittedly watching pro-players & high ELO streams probably has given me a biased viewpoint but I generally see the standard Sorc Boots, Abyssal, D-Cap with a Zhonya's thrown in somewhere in-between if required.

Not saying Kat was made to solo teams (though it happens when she's fed and you get morons, which, lets be honest, can happen fairly often). She's a clean-up machine but when you get people in the middling sort of ELO who think they can go in, ult, get a Penta & not be killed/cc'd etc then, well, you get bad Kats.

As for why she's still played, same as any other champion; people enjoy her/she's FOTM/she snowballs like a mofo/enemy comp sucks dick at shutting her down.

 

Ahri, Syndra, or Orianna -- I can't remember. Basically, traditional AP mid.

 

Mordekaiser is a pretty decent counter to Kat. Shield prevents poke, Q E clears waves and pokes her if you are smart, and if she all ins you ult her for life and shield, then QE her for more shield. You push hard enough to take a tower or two in response to her roaming (or keep her from roaming in the first place) and remain with high health while doing so, in case it is a trap.

Similarly you can build to be unburstable to her (rylai liandri) and still out damage her in trades and sustained fights. And if she jumps into your team and ults, you can instagib her for a free ghost and a ton of ability power. She is literally my favorite matchup to play against as Mordekaiser, with the next best being Teemo.

Edit: rule of thumb, if your opponent is an assassin, don't play a mage. Play a bruiser or someone that gets tanky (Swain, Mordekaiser, any bruiser with a CC, Gragas...) Or play a better assassin. If you let your lane opponent EVER dictate the terms of your actions in lane, you have already lost. See why roaming mids are popular, there is very little counter play to instaclearing the wave then roaming.

 

Firstly, you should be running MR runes if you aren't confident in your ability to 1 on 1 anything you come across.

Secondly, if you don't win the matchup 1v1, start with bottle/ward/pots. That should let you deal with any harass is tossed at you quite easily, if you remain conscious of when she can "all-in" on you and when the jungler will gank.

On top of that, never take free harass. Unless it's Xerath, no one really outranges anyone else. If they want to harass you, trade your spells back. The only thing that really keeps Kat at bay in lane is that she has melee autoattacks, so any trade should end in your favor if you weave autoattacks in and don't draw creep aggro. With the bottle, lower early game mana costs, and the mana boosts you get on level-ups, early game really negates some of the issues you run into as a mana-based champ vs something broken like Katarina. Part of this "don't take free harass" will include NOT using your spells to farm and going aggressive once she has used her spells to farm.

 

My ziggs poops on all kats.

But seriously though, Katarina has plenty of champions that can lane pretty well against her. Long range skill shots champions usually turns it into a skill matchup. Tanky champions in general do well, but will have to watch her roams due to lower killing potential. Then you have people like Annie that just poops on Katarina.


For laning against Katarina, a good tip during early levels that will make it extremely dificult for her to win the lane is to stand to the side of the minion wave, rather than behind like people often do. This is a tad more dangerous, due to jungle presence, so use it when you know you won't get ganked. By standing on the side, you can harass a katarina everytime she uses her Q to farm (wait till she's about to last hit), without getting poked back. A katarina could potentially just ignore a farm just to poke back though, so time it correctly. (Long range skillshots don't have this disadvantage). If, by chance you mess up and she QEW you for poke, don't let her do so for free. Auto her all the way she goes back to where her minions start poking you back. Use skills too. (Ziggs can minefield and probably throw 2 q's ).

For the roaming, that's an argument that can never be ended. Ward, tell teammates to ward, etc etc.

 

When you stop being bad, I'll stop being a dick. Simple as that. You haven't stopped being bad, so I haven't stopped being a dick.

As for the slow idiots? Then they're bad also and deserve ridicule.

People who can't adapt? Same as the slow ones.

 

And we have an answer, Evan here is a shallow fuck who is so angry with himself for being a waste of space that no-one likes, he is literally incapable of anything but douchedom.

You may be slightly better than me at League in some areas. But yah know, Promethius ol' pal, you've gone and fucked yourself in the process, you know, just like the actual Promethius did. But instead of getting your guts ripped out by an eagle every day of your life... you're going to spend every day of your life disdained and ridiculed by your peer group and anyone who gets to know you who has a lick of sense.

Hope that keeps you warm at night.

But I'll tell you what, you admit you're a shallow, repugnant, empty, useless, despised example of a human being, and I'll give you some genuine pointers on how not to be.

Or, you know, you can stay who you are. I'm sure the hookers will welcome you with open arms (and wallets) when you need someone to cry to and pretend they care.

No one else will.

 

If you two are going for straight out insult with no relevance to the game, take that to pms. Thanks

 

Well, that escalated quickly.

 

Heh, love the Lulu sig/ava combo there Syaoran, still feel like there should be a Bloodthirsty Lulu skin out there.

Edit; Please tell me I'm not the only person watching OGN Champions Winter? Azubu's sister teams going at it in the first Semi-final for the god knows what time. If you don't watch any other game out of this season, watch game 4 from this series. It'll probably get torn to shreds over various pieces of it but my god.