Hmm. All of them are at least believable when you factor in the skill of the player and the champion's skillsets. Maokai's sapling bombs make great wave clearers. Kass' one move where he silences you, I think it's a cone of damage sort of thing, could theoretically be used to clear a minion wave.

As far as Nidalee goes, she's ranged DPS, isn't she? Up against Shen, who is, at most, tanky AD/tanky AP (I don't know, I've never played Shen).

 

Lulu and Lifesteal Info

Life steal nerfs, for anyone that doesn't know:

Vamp Scepter: 12% -> 10%
BT: 25% (.25 per stack) -> 20% (.2 per stack)
Wriggles: 15% -> 12%

Lulu info as of now (Changes may still occur)


Lulu the Sorceress - Stats

Lulu the Sorceress - Skill Details

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Also, just so you all know, Lulu's passive is attack speed dependent.

 

They say she's supposed to be support, but as this shows, AD Lulu is pretty crazy.

Also, the implications of polymorph, if it really is a universal interrupt, are fucking filthy. No ult is safe.

 

Maokai vs lee in the jungle. I don't see how maokai can clear camps faster with the burden of mana compared to lee who has aoe and single target damage.

Swain vs Kassadin. This is such a fucking joke I don't even know where to start. Kassadin has huge mana issues whereas swain can harass cosntantly if he last hits at all. And the game was over so quickly, Kass didn't even have E maxed. Even if its maxed first, it has to be backed by quite a bit of AP to farm waves. Double Swain's CS at 10 minutes. Past 6, swain can heal both mana and HP off of creeps wheras Kass gets extra mobility. This is such an imbalanced matchup in Swain's favor that my brain hurts to think about this shit. I could kill the fucker with autoattacks and my ult alone if I was playing swain, it's that bad.

Shen vs Nidalee top. Shen's so broken OP still for 1v1 fights top. Shen's Q heals for the same as Nidalee's E after 5 autoattacks or 15 seconds, which is around the same cd as her heal early game. And that's with base HP of like 500. He has infinite sustain compared to her heavy mana based sustain.

Rank 1 Q vs E:
Q=6+1.5%(513) per AA. =13.69 over 3 seconds.
E=50+(.7AP). That's 4 autoattacks on a Q'd target or 12 seconds and he regens more than her heal. That's with base HP. The Nidalee was full AD with 0 AP until she had triforce.

Rank 3 Q vs E:
Q=28 HP over 3 seconds, once again with only base HP.
E=120.
4.5 autoattacks to even the regen. Except Shen can use his endlessly where Nida has heavy mana issues with it.

I could understand if the nidalee was so good that she could harass consistently outside of Q range without ever letting you attack back, but even in that case Shen could just Q to last hit every single minion in the wave and stay back otherwise. Instead, Jungle/top/mid all fail and the game ends before vayne can carry, even though we were 4-0 vs nunu/cait.

 

Nope. Tested in PBE. AD lulu is average when you can just build support and let your AD Ranged carry get all the benefits from it while being able to apply the passive, polymorph, and super slow a lot more often.

AP is also meh since her best benefit is utility. Her AP ratios combine to a staggering 2.1 AP total every 6s rotation (with max CDR) versus most casters having somewhere in the range of 3.4+ total. The AP benefit to her shield and Ulti isn't really that meaningful since she can already add a flat 840 HP at lvl 16.

Why sub-optimize yourself to deal average damage when you can just give your carry a ridiculous on-hit buff and shield? If her passive gets a kill, it's given to the champion that has it equipped anyways, so you'd be helping your AD a lot by letting them self-secure kills.


Also, Polymorph can't stop Fiora ulti. You'll just see a bunny/cupcake/cat flying around kicking ass if you try.

 

I'm just wondering what the damage the passive does, that follows alongside Lulu's attack. Although, it'd be pretty fun to watch a Kayle with her ult on polymorphed. I do wonder if it disrupts ult's like Morgana's or Kennens. With the other ones, a knock up usually has the same effect but if this can stop those AOE ults after being cast o,0

Back with the Maw of Maltorius, does anybody know if Poppy's passive activate even if it's through a shield? Or does the shield count as effective health? I think it activates, but I'm not too sure. If so I can see a Poppy building Boots, Shurelyas, Iron Solaris, Maw, Tri Force, and w/e situational item. Those shields o,0

 

Poppy's passive ignores the Shield when factoring how much damage is nullified.

EX: Take a hit that does 50 damage. I have 100 HP. Damage dropped to 30 then damages shield.

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BTW, Lulu passive:

Fires 3 bolts that deal magic damage.

3 damage per bolt + 2 damage per level

Max damage = 39 x 3 or 117 per auto

It scales with only attack speed and nothing else.

 

What about Magic Pen? If it factors it in, does it factor Lulu's magic pen or whoever it is on?

 

Since Leona's passive is calculated based on the magic pen of whoever procs it, I would assume it depends who it fires from.

 

This. It factors the current Pix holder's stats for damage calc.

It outpaces a metric ton of damage buffs, except for Janna shield on an IE user that has like 80% crit rate vs tanky targets.

 

It's also pretty easy to block with either creeps in lane or with tanks in team fights.

 

Oh, so it's not really that great of a skill to use during laning phase, less you just mess up last hits or push lane. What I really want to try out is something that benefits well from AP at bot lane, so like Kayle. To be honest, I find Kayle actually really strong as a champion, but just doesn't really fit into the meta well. Early Ghost+Surge is so ridiculously strong it almost always guarantees a kill, provided that your partner follows up properly. AOE splash damage on the AD carry is just op, but the problem is the range. 525 just doesn't really cut it sometimes. But still, this is made up by his ult, which is about as strong as an ult can get.

 

Kog'Maw, Miss Fortune, Teemo and Tristana are also options if you're looking for ranged carries who can make good use of AP. If you're really looking to get the best out of Pix though, it might end up better if she supports a melee to get rid of the creep 'problem'. Maybe someone who can use AP like Fizz or Rumble, or someone with high attack speed like Fiora or Master Yi. It'll be interesting to see if she can support an AP carry better than Soraka too.

 

I just had 2 of the most stupid games ever. (Disclaimer - I'm a godawful League player, my friends carry me through most victories .)

http://i.imgur.com/8erO0.jpg (Fizz with more kills than entire enemy team)
^Cait/Fizz top, Ez/Leonz bot, Morde mid. Morde afk'ed after about 5 minutes. Fizz was carrying me, Cait, so he would just farm Mundo while I farmed minions. As soon as Morde afk'ed, Fizz started wandering the entire map and killed everything, which Mundo took as his cue to stack up on Warmogs and just push top all day long. It took all 4 of us to take him out, but Ez never showed up to team fights.

End game, we all pushed mid. Everyone on the enemy team except Kennen was down. Fizz and Kennen took each other out the same time. Leona and I ran past the minions and took out last mid turret, mid inhib, 1 nexus turret, and came soooo fucking close to taking out the 2nd inhib. Ezreal never came, he was busy farming the minions Leona and I ignored. The enemy team revived, Leona died, and I made it halfway across the map before I died. At that point, only Fizz and Ezreal were up, and the enemy team was already halfway across the map. We surrendered.

http://i.imgur.com/R4pI1.jpg (4v5)
^I usually play support, because it's so hard to fuck up in that role. I was fully expecting to support anyone at all (so I started faerie charm/wards/red pot), but the Wukong never connected until literally 10 minutes before the game ended (he had enough money at that point to get a lvl 3 Warmogs, though). We improvised: Akali v Nocturne top, Fizz v Veigar mid, Janna v Ashe/support!Kayle bot. I was so lucky that the Ashe was dumb enough to break bot turret by the 8 minute mark, which allowed me to freeze lane and free farm. Ashe and Kayle started wandering as soon as bot turret went down, but Fizz ate them.

It was funny, though, because we got a ~20 minute ace. The entire team showed up mid to take down Fizz, so Malphite and I ran diagonally through lower jungle to counter gank them just in time to save Fizz's life. They started running back to base; they were between 1st and 2nd turrets, so I dont think they expected me to flash in front and ult them backwards far enough for Malphite to dive and ult. Then Fizz cleaned up with only a fraction of his hp left. I think this was the turning point; before then, we were evenly matched. It was fun.

 

Three of the players on the team from the first image have somewhat amusingly themed names.

 

Is Swain competitive? When I play a faster I like to play Kassadin but for some reason he keeps getting banned so right now I have no pure AP carry. I can play Skarner (lane or jungle), Volibear (same), Taric, Teemo ( well, I guess he is AP. I really play him as an in-hit hybrid), Jarvan (top or jungle), and Kassadin. Swain has fun flavor for me, and I like his skills but I have no clue bow good be is. Wouldn't be be a mid pick? Oh yeah, I can also play Heimer, but I have no clue where he fits in the meta.

 

From what little I know about the current meta, Heimer is firmly in the "I want to troll my team" group, since I really can't remember the last time I saw him picked and actually did well in anything outside of pushing turrets. And as for a magic dammage carry that you could play, you may like Ryze, since not only does he scale very well late game, but his skill set seems to be very similar to Swain's to me. Although, if you try to build him AP over building mana then you're a complete moron .

 

What do you guys think would make a good pub stomping counter team to the likely meta obsessed other team? If you assume the other team will have a top AD bruiser, mid AP, jungler, bot ranged AD and a support.

 

veigar soraka bot, shen mid, rammus roaming, wukong top.

 

wtf?

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