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HP Fanfic cliche rant thread v5.1

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Dark Lord Rostam, Apr 5, 2006.

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  1. Amerision

    Amerision Galactic Sheep Emperor DLP Supporter

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    I -hate- absolutely -hate- swords that can suddenly shoot magic....

    That said, fanfictions really underestimate the power and importance of a wand...they're just thrown around.

    Furthermore, I hate, no...loathe...Severitus, Sevitus, Mentor!Snape, Adoptive!Snape, and Snape in general. What is it with this sick and disturbing fascination with a skinny, pale, oily, greasy, (with lank, oily hair), sneering, hooknosed, unpleasant, anti-social bastard?

    If you are going to do Snape, why not Moody?

    He's just as ugly...

    Another thing I hate is when Dumbledore is weak and doesn't fight...

    The guy is 156, the most powerful wizard in the world (matching Voldemort's power without any power rituals, transformations or Dark Magic), and still kicks Voldemort's ass...who had to resort to holding Harry hostage to get away.

    I mean...if he just started using some dark magic, went through a ritual or two, he'd hand out asskicking on a silver platter...while toying with socks and sucking on lemon drops.

    Voldemort had to go through all these twisted transformations to boost his power to match Dumbledore. Imagine how powerful Dumbles would be if he did the same.

    0-o
     
  2. arkeus

    arkeus Seventh Year

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    You don't offend, and i am sorry if i offend for liking her :)


    Hum... maybe not the dueling of lower level, but when one really uses magic, yes it does. one has to study in order to transfigue a whipe of fire into a snake without a wand, and so on...

    Besides, how do you explain hermione to be the one who dealt the most damage in dom?

    Someone else said that hermione can't do the spells of higher level she studies. WTF? she is *always* the first one to manage the spell. By fifth year she does newt level spells. Where is it said she can't do them?
    The exeption of course would be transfiguration ,a and that is because it's a art that needs to develop step by step.

    As for hermione being arrogant, i think it is quite the opposite: she odesn't believe in herself. She will try her best, but like you, she believes she has no real gift, and she says it in first year before hugging harry, and in fifth year by putting harry into the place as a teacher. Oh, she may also have done that because it would do good to harry...

    Sorry for my rant.

    EDIT: As for Dumbledore, i think that he got his power/skill by his willpower and training. In a way, i believe AD CANNOT use dark rituals, because it would go against his belief, and that would weaken his mind and willpower, then block his power. But that's just a theory.
     
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  3. Randeemy

    Randeemy Headmaster DLP Supporter

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    I cannot see how Hermione can be defended after her performance in HBP. And she was rubbing it in Harry's face. She saw that Harry was right about Snape and Malfoy in terms of being of the death eater persuasion and couldnt stand that Harry out did her (that includes working out that the HBP was a bloke), so she thought she would bring him down a peg or two. Maybe she just wants to feel needed by Harry.
     
  4. arkeus

    arkeus Seventh Year

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    Hum... Maybe. But what she told him was more, in my mind, something like not jumping to conclusion. Beside, i said i discounted hbp, didn't i? I just have to say ginslut was giving her a lust potion for ron, and then i escuse her :pp

    More seriously, i think either she got scared in hbp because of her near death and wanted time alone, or it's just another screw up by jk.


    About time travel fics, there is a few where it is well done. I am sure you have read backward compatible, but have you harry's second chance by drt.(schnoogle)

    one very good but you won't like is "time, interrupted", with a very creepy harry and hermione centered in the first few chapter.
     
  5. Amerision

    Amerision Galactic Sheep Emperor DLP Supporter

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    Oh, I remember:

    Proof that power levels do exist:

    Filch being a near squib.

    It's not all or nothing...just what you are born with.
     
  6. arkeus

    arkeus Seventh Year

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    Hum? i thought filch was a real squib? can you tell me where it is said that he can do magic at all?

    JK does use the word power a lot, but i think it's because it attracts attention. People are more or less talented, i suppose, but that's like intelligence.

    And how you explain barty using imperio more than one time per students without resting? Or pettigrew using ak, and a randome DE fighting with *only* ak?
     
  7. Amerision

    Amerision Galactic Sheep Emperor DLP Supporter

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    Perhaps the AK isn't draining at all? I mean, it's just -End Life-. Green Flash, drop dead.

    The Imperio doesn't seem like anything big either - you're not destroying tall buildings.

    The Crucio is just a modified tickling charm, stimulates different places.

    Just because they are unforgiveable doesn't mean they are totally powerful.

    I bet if Harry started casting the Patronus Charm worthy of driving back 100 dementors a couple times, he'd be pretty tired.

    Besides, Peter isn't a squib at all, just less powerful than the gifted James Potter, Sirius Black, and Remus Lupin.

    Lastly, do you think Voldemort would accept Death Eaters who weren't exceptionally strong and couldn't cast the Avada Kedavra?

    The whole idea of hundreds and hundreds of Death Eaters is a fanon creation. There was just the Inner Circle and a couple dozen under them. There was never a mention of trolls, Dementors, armies of Death Eaters, etc etc in canon.
     
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  8. arkeus

    arkeus Seventh Year

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    i hate to say this, but barty crouch said in class that the students couldn't use ak against him because they still didn't have enough power, which i translate to skill. he did say that it was an incredibly hard spell to do.

    About the whole DE being all good... it sure didn't seem that way. Dolohov couldn't cast an effective spell once silenciod, and so on. *hermione* managed to take down a DE, and as you believe she is weak, then what does that make the DE?
     
  9. World

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    I don't think Voldemort only takes the cream of the crop, but rather those that are eligible for his campaign and agree with him and want to help him, which means only a part of the purebloods, of which there are not that much. I don't think they are all good fighters, rather relying on terrorism and scare tactics. I believe the Aurors to be way better than all Death Eaters.
     
  10. Fuegodefuerza

    Fuegodefuerza Minister of Magic

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    Hermione is just a bitch. Plain and simple. She's a rich, stuck-up, bitch with no self-confidence. If you have the tools to be great, then fucking use them! She is "one of the smartest in the year," yet she allows herself to almost get killed by Dolohov in the Department of Mysteries, and fails to protect her classmates twice, even when given specific instructions on what was going to happen and what to do. Allowing people not as knowlegdeable as you to just walk all over you like Herman does is fucking unacceptable in my books!

    Following up on a previous point, what kind of fucking person would prove their correctness on a fucking meaningless point to a person who less than a day before had fucking watched the fucking greatest wizard in the god damn world get killed? Seriously, how can you have such little respect for someone that you would shove something like that in their face, no matter how subtly you do it?

    I got the impression that they wouldn't have enough hatred to be able to cast it.

    I have no clue to how you drew that absurd conclusion.
     
  11. arkeus

    arkeus Seventh Year

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    Wow... no need to swear :)
    when i dew which conclusion? Ah well... Hermione *si* the only one of harry s friend that was any help in dom, so....
    And yes, she has a inferiority complex. but that happens. She does manage to get the job done when needed.

    About the point with the hbp, it's maybe because harry was in a bad place that she wanted to get a rise out of him. Oh well, we'll just have to agree to disagree :/
     
  12. Deadwilder

    Deadwilder First Year

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    Hermione's on a parade for total male obedience is seems lately. I can cope with her being an important character in the series; a motherly figure to Harry, and the femine sidekick with brains. but girl power, rock 'n' roll!Hermione is just too much.

    It doesn't help that Cannon and Movie!Hermione are totally different people either. They seriously need to compare wavy-haired Hermione to the bushy haired, big toothed, little know-it-all in the books if they expect her character to have respect.
     
  13. arkeus

    arkeus Seventh Year

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    Well, i never saw a rock n roll hermione, so i'll like some link :p
    Joking aside, well, i dislike betrayer!hermione a lot, or dumbledorepawn!hermione either. Hermione respects authority, but only as long as it obeys her rule. she is the one who puts snape's robe on fire with blinking, the one who threw umbridge in the forest, etc..
     
  14. Litha Riddle

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    Here I go again so buckle up kiddies.

    Herman get's the job done? On which fucking planet do you live on.
    In year two she got turned into a fucking cat hybrid because she fucked up her own polyjuice potion.
    Year three she fucks up with the time turner and fucking lets the cat out of the bag.
    Year four she bloody defends Weasel when he has a hissy fit.
    Year five she fucks up with the hog's head as well as when she leads Harry and co into the forbidden forest.
    Year six she completely misses the Death Eaters because she's moaning over Harry beating her in potions.

    All a series of cluster fucks that would put Goyle to shame.
    If she's so fucking bright then tell me why she behaves like an encyclopedic retard.

    Having a good enough memory to remember every book you've read doesn't make you smart. It takes analytical skills as well as knowing when to shut up.

    She's just a mary sue of bloody JKR and deserves to fucking die.

    Also anal retentiveness doesn't equal power.
    Although Harry behaves like a crippled flobberworm he still is able to think on his feet, Herman forgot magic due to the bloody Devil's Snare in year one.

    I also think casting AK depends on the person you're killing as well, it would probably take less power to kill a spider than a human.

    I hate Herman and I can't understand why people still like then snobby bitch.
    Let her die and give us a break.

    Also the fucking mother bit, a mother nutures and guides. Herman just bitches and moans.

    Litha

    P.s I don't think I have to explain how much I hate the bitch.
    Sorry if you don't agree.
     
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  15. Harpy Prince

    Harpy Prince Seventh Year

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    I'm sorry I don't agree. You seem to focus on the mistakes she makes and not on how much she accomplishes. I mean yes she fucked up her polyjuice potion, but she still brew a potion that was far out of her year and managed to get some information off Malfoy, the only problem was she mistook the hair which could have happened to anybody who didn't just pluck it out of the persons head. When does she fuck with the timeturner? When she uses it to save Sirius? I think Harry was rather pleased with that. And she doesn't defend Weasley, she's with Harry the whole time Weasle poots and only makes suggestions that they forget about it and make up, they had been the best of friends for 3 years and now they're fighting over something stupid of course she'd want them together again. Hermione doesn't hate the Weasles like we do. Honestly I think any of the school kids would have made the fuck up at the hogshead. I mean know one ever goes there, who would've known a spy would have been there. Honestly I don't remember HBP anymore except for the key parts and I have no wish to read it again.

    Um... yes it does. Can you do it? Can 8/10 people do it? No they can't.

    Besides you call Hermione a mary-sue and then point out all her flaws. If she was a mary-sue why the fuck would she have flaws? And why think that Hermione still has buck teeth? She had them shortened.

    He got that from the book...
     
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  16. Amerision

    Amerision Galactic Sheep Emperor DLP Supporter

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    I really don't see where people draw the conclusion that Hermione is a good dueller, powerful, the uberest of them all, more powerful than Harry, and ONLY lacks confidence

    And how do the Death Eater's get beat up by kids?

    Let's face it...logic doesn't work in JKR's world, so you can't really draw conclusions at all.

    But still. If you think Hermione is going to be the next Dumbledore...well, I can't help you there.
     
  17. Litha Riddle

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    The time turner bit was when she missed classes and kept mucking up the timing.
    The bit where she defends Ron is when she takes Harry for breakfast and tries to make him the one at fault.

    The bit from Order of the pheonix is where she leads Harry and Co. into the forbidden forest, and gets them attacked by centaurs.

    Actually I used to have a photographic memory til I had an accident, it doesn't make you intellectually smart.

    It entirely depends how you measure intelligence, if you count bookishness as smart then yes she is.

    But about the Herman being a Mary sue.
    JKR constantly goes on about how much the buck toothed minger is like her, also why make her 'pretty' at the yule ball.

    With the Hogshead they knew they were being spied on, don't forget Hedwig being intercepted.

    About the polyjuice she didn't check the source of the hair.

    About the Half Baked Piss, she was so fucking obsessed with Harry beating her in potions. Instead of praising him for fucking studying for once she rags on him.
    So obsessed is she that she ignores Harry's repeated warnings, despite that malfoy has constantly called her Mudblood.
    Why the fuck did she miss it if she's so fucking smart.

    As for Ron fucking Weasley I still think Harry should have fed him to Fluffy in first year.

    That's all I've got to say about this because my eye's starting to fucking tick.
    Kill the Mudblood and have done with the matter, or better yet tip of the Death Sheep and let them wreak their havoc.

    All hail the Sheep!

    Litha
     
  18. Harpy Prince

    Harpy Prince Seventh Year

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    I'm going to end this with some final words as well. Hermione couldn't check the source of hair without being found out or being pummeled by a troll of a woman, I'm pretty sure Hermione was just explaining that Ron was jealous of Harry's fame in the breakfast part, and about Harry beating her in potions honestly I would have been pissed and dickly too, Harry didn't study he read the shortcut notes in the book while Hermione actually busted her ass off. There's congratulating people for hard work done and then there's people who coast throught things with outside help. How would you feel if you applied for a job and someone else got it because they were related to the manager? It's the same principle. And EVERYONE ignored Harry about Snape and Malfoy except Ron so you can't put the blame solely on her. Besides if that pissed you off so much why aren't you acknowleding the Weasle? He believed Harry. You know what nevermind, I don't want to waste anymore time arguing about something with which people are not willing to change their minds about.

    Cliches: I still don't like Harry with a fuckin ponytail. Ponytails are so played out that even if I see one in real life I yell cliche.
     
  19. Skeletaure

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    Harry wasn't cheating in potions, they were both following a set of instructions given to them by other people, Harry just happened to have a different set of instructions that Hermione refused to accept as they weren't "Ministry approved".

    Hermione is the smartest witch in their year, yes, but their year is quite an uninteligent one. None of them are making themselves immortal (Tom Riddle), making up new spells (Snape), doing non-verbal spells with ease in 5th year (James Potter), or doing things with a wand that examiners have never seen before (Dumbledore).

    Hermione has a certain level of inteligence, based soley on her ability to remember things, but she's not exceptional.
     
  20. ip82

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    Actually I don't see why everyone say Hermione is so fucking smart. She's hard working, that's for sure, but genius? Hardly.

    If she was that smart, she wouldn't have to spend all of her time studying. Her success in most of her classes can be easily explained. She simply reads all the material for lesson beforehand and then shows off to the professor, hoping for a pat on the back. Of course she'll be the first one to get every spell right, she already knows all the instructions by heart. The other kids have to learn the instructions first and then get them to work. She simply always has a head start, thanks to her diligence.

    I've known people like her in school. They were either ambitious or unsure of themselves, making them overwork themselves with schoolwork. None of them was of above average intelligence. On the contrary, they were always beat by several kids that were truly SMART; These prodigies slacked off and didn't study, but were always able to pick up things quickly and score good marks, often better than the brownnosers.

    So, Hermione is definitly NOT a genius, judging by the amount of time she spends studying and the results she achieves, which are better than average, but not stellar in any way.
     
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