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HP Fanfic cliche rant thread v5.1

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Dark Lord Rostam, Apr 5, 2006.

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  1. Skeletaure

    Skeletaure Magical Core Enthusiast ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    The Crutiatus can be blocked through magical means, we've seen it done. I believe that in GOF it only says that the Avada Kedavra is unblockable, it doesn't say about the others.

    As for gun-wielding Harry, I hate it with a passion. All that would be need to be done to combat it would be a simple impervius charm - known by Hermione in her third year at Hogwarts. The only gun-wielding Harry I have seen done well is in Malignant Objects.

    Finally, I believe that Aurors are are dark-wizard catchers i.e. they find, chase and subdue dark wizards, whereas hit wizards sole job is dueling.
     
  2. Dark Syaoran

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    Blocked in GoF? I can't remember that. If it isnt unblockable, why is it unforgiveble? Sure, it's painful but I'm sure that there are other curses that can cause similar pain. Meh, I dont know...
     
  3. Skeletaure

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    It was blocked in HBP multiple times by Snape. I don't think unforgivables are unforgivable because the are unblockable, more because of the nature of the spell.

    While there are probably similar spells that can be used to torture, I doubt they would work in a similar way to the Crutiatus...to use the Crutiatus you must be a sadist, to not only want to cause pain but to enjoy it.
     
  4. Xiph0

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    1)I doubt an impervious would block a bullet, and even if it can, a bullet is faster then any incantation ever will be.

    2) I'd prefer muggle implements, cutting charms, and misc. other tools then anything so lame as a simple "cruciatus", mainly because as the saying goes;

    "Torture is the vassal of the creative"
    (Ironically, a phrase I invented for my National Motto)
     
  5. Skeletaure

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    The impervious doesn't "block" objects it repels them so that they would curve around the object that it is cast upon or even repel back at the sender (observe the kitchen door at Order HQ).

    Also, it is a distincly Muggle way of thinking that the faster an object, the less a spell will be able repel it. If such physical laws applied to magic, then it would never be able to repel any object away in the first place.

    As for the bullet being faster than an incantation, all you have to do is apply the charm before it is needed i.e. before you go into a battle.
     
  6. Yarrgh!

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    I think you're thinking of the Imperturbable charm, Taure. That's waht the Order uses on the door o the kitchen at Grim-wauld place. (spelling intentional, to those who don't recognize sarcasm even when it gives you head)

    The impervious is what Herman uses to stop the rain from soaking Harry and covering his glasses during a Quidditch match.

    Thing is, even if the charm exists, it's not like someone would know to use it. THey're wizards, a pistol would look like a curious hunk of metal to them right until they died.

    I think xipho meant that the bullet would hit you before you could finish the incantation for the spell to block it. Makes sense, especially if you're fighting close quarters. Even if the hit isn't fatal, you'll still be cut off mid-incantation with a scream of pain. Then, the next bullet will hit fatally.

    About Hit-Wizards and Aurors: I see Auror's as Magical Coppers. That's it. I disregard the 'dark-wizard catchers' business because i think Ron would instinctively associate 'criminal' with 'dark wizard'. The Hit-Wizards, IMO, are Magical FBI or CIA, since they work with the Unspeakables.
     
  7. Skeletaure

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    It was my belief that "Impervious" was simply the incantation to the Imperturbable charm - I only said impervious because I didn't think I'd be able to spell Imperturbable.

    Also, in canon, aren't Unspeakables researchers? I thought that Unspeakables being spys was a purely fanon creation. A good one though.
     
  8. Skade

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    It is a good idea, but yes they are researchers (at least that's what I got from the Wikipedia article) as far as I can get, haven't looked it up in cannon though so I couldn't be 100% sure (I only own book 4). They also watch over and protect prophecies, time turners, the veil, chambers filled with powerful unknowns, etc dangerous and powerful items.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Magic#Department_of_Mysteries

    An extremely horrible cliche that I'm suprised hasn't been mentioned, it hurts me every time I read it.

    Fashion Makeover!Character

    BUGS THE HELL OUT OF ME!

    .... No one in Harry Potter has probably listened or heard of those bands, except maybe muggleborns.. and still they're taken away at age 11 before they could even hear about some of them for the most part. BESIDES!!!! Harry, Hermione, Ron, Ginny, Luna, Neville, etc etc have NEVER HEARD OF FALL OUT BOY OR EVANESCANCE ....... It's freaking 1991... just because Jk rowling mentions a playstation it's still 1991, not 2006!!!(She's not exactly the Queen of cannon you know.) And just because Ginny is a 'feisty'!slut does or because Tonks wore a Wyrd Sisters shirt that either has to wear anything of the sort, or dress like a rocker chick. If Ginny or Hermione wore any of the clothes.. Mrs. Weasley would have their heads, big time, Hermione would be kicked out for 'influencing' poor 'precious' Ginny in such a degrading manner even though she started it. Besides how would any of the wizardborns know anything about our clothing style that is about 10 years ahead in the future, they wouldn't!

    Besides, even if their families approved, I don't think Dumbledore or McGonnagal would allow that sort of fashion, I can envision McGonnagal twitching heavily and raising her wand to cover them with sackcloth or a nun's habit.

    Tatoos and piercings (other than maybe the ear) wouldn't fly period, I never see them mentioned at all in cannon except for that momentary lapse of sanity that is HBP.

    .... *breathes*

    :) As vicious as that all sounded, it kills me and this helped so much.
     
  9. KANE

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    My own personal hate is super!harry's where he gets no training at all or he reads a book and suddenly the whole of the wizarding world seems so much clearer!

    One of my most hated examples of this was where harry got a message of sirius - from beyond the grave - with a potion that allows him to have 'photographic memory and uber-occlumency skills. It's a black family secret so don't tell anyone.' The author just completely ignored the fact that sirius ran away from home at the age of 16 and lost contact with his family, and i doubt he was daddy's special little boy before that and got access to all the family secrets.

    Though, saying that, i am slightly more tolerant of fics where harry gets powerful or smart through complex rituals, but not one mouthful of potion!
     
  10. Skeletaure

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    One of my pet peeves is the fact that many authors (not so many anymore, but it used to be very prevalent) seem to think that Harry needed to go through "special auror training" to be a decent duelest, when the fact of the matter is that neither of the 2 most powerful wizards in history were aurors.

    More authors need to realise that good dueling doesn't come from memorising a list of powerful spells (although that helps) but from recognising that all the things that you learn at Hogwarts can be used in a duel.

    For example, I would argue that transfiguration is the most powerful magic of all - after all, its the only way to block the Avada Kedavra.
     
  11. Niffler Lord

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    On the topic of dueling and spells, authors need to realize that there are more spell out there than just Reducto, and Stupefy. In most duals those seem to be the most used. It would make the dual more interesting if they didn't always for a face-to-face confrontation. Like cast a spike at a Deatheater and Accio them to the pike…..
     
  12. Skade

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    You have to realize though, that not too many spells are mentioned in Harry Potter, or at least mentioned more than once or twice. Considering the retention and attention span of most fanfic writers, remembering Stupefy and Reducto isn't half bad ( :D right?). I've also seen Sectum Sempra, and the bat bogey hex ( :p ) used far too much for my liking as well though, but sine Sectum Sempra means sadistic bastard in Latin, that could explain it.
     
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    True but that shouldn't stop them from being creative. I mean it doesn't stop them at other times.
     
  14. Cupspeaker

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    Nobody mentioned griphook? C\'mon, that has to be the worst cliche ever where Harry goes to gringotts and griph worships him. Stupid and retarded. Hey I have an idea. Why don\'t we take all the cliches that are really common, put them into a story cliche like and pair H/G. Then we can flame any moron who gives the story a good review?
     
  15. Dark Syaoran

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    That damn goblin has been mentioned plenty of times in the past. This is version 5, as in the fifth thread.
     
  16. Giovanni

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    I've got a cliche I hate.

    It's called plagiarism -- and it went out of fashion about the same time Robert Blake lost all his book deals.
     
  17. Amerision

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    Ponytails are the mark of the pureblooded, and make Harry hawt.

    --
    "Hi! You wanna be my snake...erm, friend! You're not JUST a pet..."

    1 chapter later...

    "Is that a snake?"

    "Yeah, He's cool"

    "Allright, if you say so!"

    After some corny dialogue, the snake is never mentioned again.
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    "COOL! Dark Arts book! *Reads*

    Next Day:

    "Conshitmitigitus! Hah! Take that Dumbledore, you manipulating bastard! I beat you, your Order, the Aurors, Voldemort, and the Inner Circle."

    "Bitch"

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    Moldyshorts

    Voldieshorts

    Tommie Boy

    Molywoldy

    Snakeface

    -They all destroy any semblance of the dark, mature atmosphere the author was trying to create.

    --

    I'm not afraid of him, I'll just call him Tom.

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    Katanas

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    I'm so BADasss...Yet I still am afraid of Molly Weasley and her STD ridden fleabag. *shudder*

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    I've got an elf...Hermione will eat me alive!

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    Enough for now.
     
  18. Evil Shnitzel

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    I hate it when Harry doesn't show respect towards Dumbledore and\or Voldemort. Those guys thought to be the most powerful wizards of the cantury and worked hard to get to the top. And here comes Harry Potter who trains about two months and feel the right tolaught at their names and show disrespect towards his betters. If he wants to be fucking dark then don't make him look like retarded firstyear who call's everebody names.
     
  19. KANE

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    One of my most hated clichés is a badly done manipulative dumbledore. I just find it hard to believe that a 16 year old boy could be the only one on teh face of the earth to find fault in the greatest wizard in a century or more and the only one ever feared by the 'darkest lord time has ever seen'. It's completely unlikely that dumbles would put so much time and effort into creating and maintaining ootp, not to mention becoming headmaster of the most prestegious magical school in europe and earning himself numerous uber titles, just to control some 'child of the light' and his pet bird.
     
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    Ok, some more:

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    Hey Dumblefuck, yea you, you ole' codger! Stop manipulating my life, you bastard! I'm responsible and mature enough to live on my own!

    ---

    "Yea, I better leave this dump."

    *looks around 4 Privet Drive*

    "This place blows. Everyone hates me. Who cares if its the safest place in the world?"

    *records the times that the Order members switch shifts and escapes*

    "Hah, I escaped the Order of the Fried Turkeys, an armed militia with fully grown wizards...many of them Aurors, along with the most powerful wizard on earth. Pretty neat, huh? Yep, I'm a mature bastard."

    ---

    Harry sneered.

    And sneered some more.

    And then sneered.

    "I am a Slytherin for sure!"

    ...10 minutes later...

    "Voldemort? Where?"

    *rushes off to battle without any plan whatsoever with only three weeks of "training" in a very Gryffindor manner*

    ---

    Malfoy: "I refuse to take the mark! I won't bow down to the-half-blood-bastard-that-ten-seconds-ago-I-was-afraid-to-even-say-his-name!"

    Harry: "Really? Cool! Best Friends Forever?"

    "Draco"-not-"Malfoy"-because-he-is-now-cool: "And you know what? I don't want to serve that old manipulative codger either. I'll support you! You are the Grey/Gray-(because-I-can't-choose-and-I-switch-every-other-chapter) Lord. Grey is the way to go!"

    Harry: Oh, and Ron and Hermione blow duckshit. They betrayed me. *sob*

    SuddenlyRedeemed!Draco: Don't worry! I'll introduce you to my good friend fem!Blaise, I'm sure you two will get just fine after you partner up with her in potions! We'll all be Best-Friends-Forever-even-though-the-author-was-trying-to-avoid-this-as-they-are-all-now-Slytherin!"

    NewlyRedeemed!Snape *cough* Sevvy: That's right child, Slytherins take care of their own, even though we're all ambitous bastards!

    Harry: w00t!

    ---

    Harry: Wait, look! I'm actually really good at Potions! It was all Sevvy's fault, breathing down my neck as he was. He's not really bad after all, just misunderstood, like Draco! And he's not all that ugly or greasy either!

    *brews veritaserum*

    ---

    In the Chamber of Secrets:

    Harry: "Woah, look! The After-Cruciatus Potion!

    *Brews it swiftly because Sevvie is no longer breathing down his neck*

    ---

    Azkaban/Privet Drive...AKA Durzkaban

    "My life is so screwed up..."

    *Poof*

    [ A bright light is seen ]

    Merlin/God/Magic Herself: Hey, you look pretty misunderstood! Here's some power!

    God-Like!Harry is born.

    ---

    Hogwarts! Help Me!

    Hogwarts, a stupid castle creates new passages or fights off Dark Wizards.

    ---

    Yes, I'm bored and itching to update The Insane Adventures of Harry Potter...
     
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