I'm just fucking tired of aliens this and aliens that when in conjunction with the past.

Heres a thought! What the fuck do we have exactly that would make an alien race that can travel through space at all interested in us? To them we are no more then violent barbarians whacking each other with sticks. They would probably look at us like we rich world power nations look at third world countries and isolated villages in the jungle.

If there really are aliens out there they probably don't give a flying fuck what is going on with earth.

After all I'm sure they have bigger concerns.

 

I just got back from this movie and I loved it even with the aliens, Indy's character was great and I liked Marion more than the other girls so I was pretty happy. Also I know Nukular and Logrus have said this before but to the people who bitch about the aliens please explain to me how that was in any way less believable than the Ark of the Covenant, a man who can rip your heart out right through your chest with the power of an Indian death god or the Holy Grail granting immortality and a 500 year old knight of the crusades?

5/5 for me

 

Why do you assume that an alien society that can travel through space would naturally be more civilised/democratic/socially advanced?

Perhaps they don't even have democracy or prefer a state of warfare to trade and planetary co-operation.

 

So far I haven't seen the movie, but I intend to do so this week or the next one, when I have some free time...

Nonetheless, about the aliens and their interest in us, earthlings.

Here's an inteesting idea: If there is an alien civilization, which devoted it's being to science and discovering the mysteries of the universe, sooner or later it might lack things to research. Therefore it would seek other species/civilizations to discover everything anew from their perspective. Our perspective.


Another idea is like something from The Space Odyssey... we are nothing but an experiment in creation of an intelligent species, a pet project.

Those two are under assumption, that the aliens are pacifists. If they were hostile, they would be checking whether we are a threat to them or if we are advanced enough to be taken as slaves/guinea pigs for their experiments/whatever...

We can always ask ourselves, what would we do, if we found an alien species somewhere out there... Would we contact them, or study them to see what to do?

 

I don't. What I mean to say is why would any race of intelligent life out there with enough technology to travel space at long distances care at all about us? If I wanted to learn about humans all I have to do it sit back and watch, or pick up on our history...hell we have two TV channels dedicated to it, not take an active hand in raising them, just like I can say that while I feel sorry for less fortunate people in the world then me I am not in any way connected to them. Thus I don't really care what happens to them because I have other things I am doing, rather then siting there and worrying about somebody else I am focused on my job and saving enough money to get my LVN training so I can make better then eight dollars an hour and take over the finances of the house I live in so that my Grandma can finally get that retirement that Conoco screwed her out of.

I once saw a TV show where this school janitor suddenly was able to absorb knowledge by simply being near it, for instance he learned French when he was cleaning a classroom dedicated to learning it. It turned out to be aliens using him as a gathering point of knowledge on humans and at then end they took all the stuff he had absorbed and left. Clean efficient and no confrontation what so ever. That is what I would do.

 

There's another reasons aliens could visit us...

They just feel like probing our anus's for fun.

Kinda like kids who like to set ants on fire with a magnifying glass.

It's sad that that actually makes alot of sense to me...

 

The point is that while Ark had a supernatural powers and the holy grail is kinda hokey. They were both stories that most everyone has heard of, or has some knowledge or something that allowed the general public to enjoy the movie. Indiana Jones just actually found this lost treasure. The reason that doom wasn't as good as the other two, At least IMO, is that people were far too removed from the myth that the film was based on. Not to mention that shortround and the girl weren't the best sidekicks for indy.

It's also why i enjoyed both national treasures, writers created a myth within a set number of objects in the real world.

I have no knowledge of the myth used in Skull and i didn't like it for that reason. Although I did enjoy the idea that indy was a spy and participated actively in the war. If anything I see an option for more "young indy" style series or something of Indy as a spy.

 

The movie sucked for a number of reasons, one which is the reason Darkmakr presented.

First, in all the Indiana Jones movies Indie learns something. In Raiders he learns humility (doesn't look at the ark), In Temple he learns that money and adventure isn't everything. Rather than turn the Stones in, he returns them so the Indians don't die. In the third, he learned that somethings were more important than treasure, by giving up the Grail. WTF did he learn in this one? Nothing.

Second, every Indiana Jones movie up until this one dealt with some sort of important mythological artifact, relating to a religion. Judaism-Ark, Hinduism-Stones, Christianity-Grail. WTF did this one have? Crystal Skulls, which while they are grounded on an actual myth its one that is recent at best and in all honesty retarded. Not saying the other myths are better, but they are grounded on a longstanding historical belief. I guess I just wanted something similar. With all the myths they had to choose from why that? It would of seemed more logical to have another religion make it into the fold. Islam (though probably not because of all the shit), Buddhism, or all the countless religions with artifacts would of been nice.

Third, fucking aliens. Yes you can say that aliens are no more absurd then anything that the other movies had, but its not a question of absurdity its a matter of following the linear story line of the series. If Rowling had the Deathly Hallows be alien artifacts, we would all be bitching too. Why? Because it doesn't fit. Indiana Jones, though campy is not sci-fi. It's a non-secular adventure movie filled with myths, rituals, and mysticism, not fucking aliens. Also, it seemed as if Lucas added them just to fuck with us. What did they add to the movie, other than crap? Nothing. There was no need for it. You could of taken them out and make the skulls something mystical by themselves and you would of still been fine.

Fourth, Plot Holes. This movie made no sense. Why did the Russians have to go to Area 51? Why did they need to see the alien? WTF was the purpose of returning the alien head back, no one got anything out of it. WTF was up with the douBle/triple spy guy. I didn't mind the constant switching but then one minute he's all about survival and making money, the next its "leave me Indie..." and sucked into the interdimensional gateway (how fucking retarded does that sound). Oh yes and who could forget the lead villain, a 100 pound Russian chick who may or may not be psychic. Christ someone give her a spoon and see if she can bend it because I found it pretty fucking lame her having her hand out, closing her eyes and saying the same shit "hmm you are quite hard to read..." No shit lady, you don't have any powers... Oh right and then who can forget the crazy/not so crazy guy. Pretty convenient that when they need him to be crazy he's crazy, but when they really need information he's suddenly semi-coherent. That wasn't so much a plot-hole rather than an obvious plot-device that failed terribly.

Fifth, the corniness. I'm well aware the previous films had there moments, but that doesn't remotely compare to the wtf moments in this film.
We have Indi surviving not one, but three absurd waterfalls, we have Shia Tarzaning it up with monkeys, we have Indie surviving an atomic bomb in a refrigerator, and fucking shitty CGI gophers and ants. Oh and apparently everyone in the 1950s is either a greaser or a jock, and they all hang out a the local Johnny Rockets like diner. Many of these moments served no purpose but to detract from the overall experience. Yes The first movies had there campiness, like shooting the guy with the swords, or Sean Connery starting the fire, or the heart ripping by Kali worshippers or the voodoo, but that, though remotely improbable, does seem to have an air of possibility however small.

For me this movie seemed like a shitty knockoff of The Mummy, which was in my opinion a rip-off of Indiana Jones. What's sad is I'll take The Mummy over this crap.

 

One of the aliens is there, and they want to get their hands on it.

Because they could learn how to work the "power."

Indie and co. didn't want anything. The chick got her "knowledge," but got too much and was sucked into the UFO/Alternate Dimension/Whathaveyou.

He realized that he was fucked and decided he'd at least like Indie to survive.

It was to give her some credibility within the Russian forces, mostly. Her "powers" had nothing to do with the film, so honestly, why the fuck are you complaining? It's not a plot hole, it's just useless information.

He was crazy because he had no one that could communicate with, and was stuck trying to tell people how to get to the temple. Once Indie could communicate with him (via alien skull mindfuck) he became coherent.

Most of this was done to make it interesting. Suspend your disbelief and it really isn't that big of a deal.

There was a football team and a group of greasers in the diner. There were also quite a few other people in the diner that were neither jocks nor greasers. For that matter, the only greaser in the college was Shia. This is not an issue, so let it go.

Fixed it for you.

 

Simple...it's a prequel to E.T.!

 

As long as you left your brain at the door, it was enjoyable. The fridge was a bit TOO far for me, and I don't think you can just magically fix fallout damage by homoerotically scrubbing someone, but hey.

As people have said, it seemed lamer than the other films because it wasn't based on a popular (or at least historical) myth.

Also, when she did the wierd hand thing (you are a hard man to read blah blah), was anyone else thinking "Jedi mind trick"? Do you reckon Lucas forgot what he was directing?

You will tell me where the skull is hidden...

 

It's really not for me to judge your personal taste, and it is of course your right not to like the movie. Some of your objections are off-base, though.

You *do* realize that the South American aboriginal religion was centered around the crystal skulls, right?

First, the stories aren't linear; Temple was set prior to Raiders.

Second, Aliens are actually a far more feasible explanation for the supernatural/mystical elements in the movies than Gods.

 

To some of you anyway.

At the risk of being beat to death I will state that at least I am a Christian, Southern Baptist to be exact. So please don't forget that when you speak you are not speaking for everyone.

Like I said before it was a decent movie and there were parts I liked, but the Aliens and what not really just....ruined it for me.

 

Just saw it.

Some pretty horrible acting from some characters, brilliant from others. One liners that made me cringe. Actually, most lines made me cringe. Over the top action. Unrealistic as fuck.

Loved it. Classic Indi.

 

Spot on analysis.

I suggest everyone who hated it go rewatch the others. They'd probably do terrible today . Doesn't mean they're not awesome.