Reg! I'm stoked. Looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts on the game so far.

I'm absolutely worthless right now, but I have a fair amount I want to say/discuss tomorrow.

@tom why are you posting the way you're posting?

 

Eh, I think her read on Wisp and him being mislynched is a particularly sensitive topic, but sure.

 

Also I wouldn't stress too much about coming across as callous, if you have a read you should talk about it.

 

Regfan, without going back over Rubicon's ISO (I'll do once you've put your thoughts down and we need to have a real discussion), I think the way he kept his distance from the Wisp wagon initially and moved onto Waco instead then joined the Wisp wagon only once it was all but entirely consensus was wolfy inasmuch as in town!Rubicon world, he's presumably keeping off the Wisp wagon because he doesn't believe the slot is wolfy or thinks the push there is bad, something along those lines, but from that point to the point he joins the Wisp wagon there's no movement in his Wisp read, I don't recall him ever expressing a Wisp read until after the nail had been driven into that coffin. To me this comes across to a degree as a wolf who doesn't want to touch a hot wagon as its developing and can go either way, but once it's settled that villagers clearly have pushed this wagon he's fine getting involved, but I think the part that bothers me more is what's missing between when he clearly didn't scumread Wisp and when he later joined the wagon. I think there's a strain of that in his vote on fonti, too. I don't know where his fonti townread went because unless I've missed it he hasn't put any of it into thread, and I think again the wolf agenda comes into play where while it was expedient for him to townread fonti, he townread fonti, and once it became acceptable for him to vote her, he joins her wagon. This kind of disconnectedness seems to be a pattern throughout his play, so yeah it's possible you're right and this is just playstyle, but as I said before I've had a remarkably difficult time getting a feel for what his playstyle is or how he thinks about things and I don't particularly want to drop the concerns I have just because that's what they could be. And again, more of a placeholder wolfread until I find something I actually believe in than a slot I'm solving around being mafia.

 

I'm going to be doing some other things, but I'll try to keep checking in periodically.

 

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Am on the way home from fiancé's parents place, should be able to read up and talk soon.

 

No read on Paras posting D1 at all, feel like most of it was theory-ish talk that's fairly non-alignment indicative.

Hey man, am also stoked to get a chance to play with you again. I'm....uh, looking over your D1 stuff though and kind of just like "where's the solving" outside of the attempt to interact with Wisp (Admittedly I'm like that with a lot of people in this game, and that's just a serious problem here) so if you're actually town definitely do need you to follow through and put down a lot of your thoughts/reads in the game so I can get There on you because I think there's probably more worlds where that night kill makes sense that involve you than any other individual player.

 

@Gemma - Thanks for the explanation on Rubicon, I just don't think I agree with much of it and I think that's you either misreading or misremembering some of his posts. I think about the only point where I agree with you is the lack of read/commentary on Wisp during the early/mid parts of the day until the wagon was more properly formed (his Post #635 and I do actually follow/understand his reasoning behind voting Wisp there) is something that does make sense as scum. I'd like more depth and progression of his reads and thoughts explained in the game/thread but I think that's an issue I've had with Rubicon as a player several times in the past where he sort of 'solves/works stuff out himself but doesn't really put stuff in the game when town enough'. His town read on Fonti D1 going through his ISO never read as any substantial or even serious, it was a "She's a good player and someone I won't lynch D1 so I give her some space and throw her a town read" type thing, it's a way I've seen her (and others) handle Fonti several times before and just, not hugely alignment indicative. I think he's put forward some decent reasoning/thought process behind his change on that and vote on Fonti today so it's not something I'm scum reading at all, because I also thought her play during EOD1 felt really baffling because Wisp at some points there was just clearly a ML. (I mean at the same time I can also kind of relate with her EOD1 because this is a "Game feelsharder than normal type one" where I was hoping to be able to come in this game with a bunch of lock town reads and start instantly solving/working this out but I don't have that at the moment, but hopefully can make some progress now that I'm able to be around).

 

Also ISOing is seriously frustrating here with the new forum type thing, it anyone has a better way than going into the ISO and opening up every single post into a new tab so it's not possible to miss some of their post I'd really really really appreciate knowing.

 

@Gemma (Or anyone else actually) - Talk to me about Tom a bit? I just went through his ISO and there's not really anything there that I'm looking and thinking "That's probably Town!Tom" and I'm normally fairly good at spotting/finding him early on, the only real thoughts I've got on his play in general is just liking his reasoning behind his Amy scum read.

 

Okay so something that I'm I'm fairly confident in is that Gemma/Vaimes, Gemma/Dels and Dels/Vaimes aren't W/W so inside [Gemma, Vaimes, Dels] I'm fairly sure we'd be looking at 0-1 scum.

Was tempted to turn this into a group of 4 in that I have Fonti/Dels as strongly anti-aligned, and also think Fonti/Vaimes and Fonti/Gemma prooooobably isn't the case here, but they're not based on as strong logic to rule them out (and also don't want to deal with the gloating/shit I'd get for incorrectly ruling out those specific teams if I'm wrong).

Based solely on reads I'm pretty sure the trio involves scum like maybe 20% of the time? I'm pretty confident in Dels being town here, reasoning behind his reads and process reads very genuine, will go into this one in more detail tomorrow. Also think this is probably just Town!Gemma, should hopefully be able to lock this read in more once I've had a chance to interact and bounce with her. So inside that group I think the person that'd be most likely scum is Vaimes? Also town read his lemonade post, but outside of that his play here's not actually super memorable, should/will probably ISO him. Think the Akin night kill probably only happens in Scum!Vaimes worlds if like his partner is exactly Fonti since I think he'd be scared of her flipping her read and lynching him and I don't hugely think that team is the case. Or if he's scared of Newcomb replacing in more than myself which I guess is a possibility / others in his team are in a decent position. Definitely don't see a team like Vaimes/Ter/Rubicon making that kill for instance.

 

Just got through TerRaines ISO, about the only thing I confidently get from it is that TerRaine/Sloth and TerRaine/Waco aren't W/W.

If anyone has a decent/strong read on that slot would highly appreciate pinging me/talking to me about it. It's one I had a weak-ish town read on D1 thinking the reasoning behind the Sloth town read was decent and that the aggressiveness towards Waco in Post #485 felt real but reading it over again now I don't think either are hugely alignment indicative. There's sort of a weird lazer focus on the few people he was interacting with without having much general thoughts about the game. Also think there's a real lack of commentary about Wisp from him other than wanting to know a VC before moving to Wisp and then just never really talking about that slot again, think it's something that would make sense coming from scum in a Waco/Wisp V/V world where there's just not a lot of reason to have to talk about Wisp/do anything with it.

 

Yeah Sloths just town here, can see lots of just genuine thoughts / attempts to read people and gamesolve throughout the entire game. Think in particular the interaction with Wisp read and interaction on Wisp in Post #519, Post #524, Post #531 and especially Post #534 and Post #537 feels like him actually trying to work things out. Also find Post #540 (9 minutes after his previous post while interacting with her) is something that's unlikely to come from mafia there when the Wisp lynch is looking inevitable and the follow up to it being Post #543 feels like it makes sense coming from someone that thinks they might be tunneled. Also think the reaction/response to the night kill in Post #904 probably doesn't come from scum and is a reaction I much more expect to see put forth in the thread by town.

 

Am fairly sad no one is actually around at the moment.

And also that Vaimes probably comes into the thread at some point and does the whole "oh long posts, fk Regfan, tldr".

Going to try and get through one or two more players before bed.

Summary of where I'm at based on reading / ISO's I've done so far is that Sloths town, Dels is very probably town, Gemmas probably town though am a little concerned of her not being here when I said I'd be around in an attempt to avoid/delay interacting with me but that's probably silly and she's probably just actually busy/asleep. In any case Dels/Gemma/Vaimes contains 0-1 scum. TerRaine might be scum? Tom might be scum?

 

I uhhh, don't really get or understand how the hell Waco had votes and one of the few real wagons yesterday, very little of what he's done is something that I'm actually reading as alignment indicative for him, and find a lot of his thoughts posts to make sense. (Eh I kind of do, he seems to be the sort of person that people default to a "I don't have a better idea, oh he's not done a lot lets yeet him" type thing). If anything I think he's slightly more likely to be town here than scum in that my memory of his scum play is that he's more 'take stances / do things to try and get town read' where here it feels more like he's just Doing His Own Thing in a way. Need him to actually start playing properly and putting more thoughts and reads down though.

Also come out of that even more confident that Waco/Ter aren't W/W, Waco/Vaimes also probably not W/W.

 

#fkRegfan2020

 

Got any thoughts on any of my posts so far other than that, any reads/stuff you agree or disagree with?

Heading to bed in like 5 minutes, so just some quickfire stuff would be nice.

 

I already mildly liked the fluff slot and I have no complaints about your entrance.

I don’t necessarily disagree there’s scum in tom/Ter, I just don’t have anything to point to and need to reread myself.

Are you purposefully avoiding talking about fontisian right now?

 

Actually I do have a mild townread on tom that’s a little too superficial for me to want to push it. I guess I liked how he behaved around the Wisp wagon, I can maybe cite posts later.

 

I don't really have anything to point to re; Tom being scum either, it's not really a read I have, it's more a "Toms not doing things I'm reading as town and I think I generally find him when he's town so he's slightly more likely to be mafia here" type one. With Ter it's more there's just not a lot of ~general thoughts~ in the game and if Wacos town I think their play falls into how I expect scum to play that D1 but again not a read I feel confident about or anything.

Mostly just talking about people I've ISO'ed looked into in more depth, people I still need to look at are mostly Cobalt/Cuth/Fonti/Para and then have a look over your stuff and put my Dels town read down into words. Re; Fonti without having done the re-reading I think either she's scum, or she's struggling more than I've ever seen her do so as town. I'm leaning slightly more towards the latter given how weird this D1 seems/seemed to have been and how different from a normal DLP playerlist it was. Main uh, gripe I have with her is actually her reads posts D2 re; her reasoning on players, there's just a lot of headscratching I did when going over it and her ending up as Cuth being her most solid town read to base things on is just miles away from where I am.