Which is to say that I intend to do a reread toDay. And ninja'd by Quid.

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Dat double ninja.

 

Hello friends.
Today I must decide who is smarter:
Day 1 tom or Day 4 tom (aka is it rubicon or dlgn)
Hoping its not neither. Especially if I'm gonna be one of our mislynches.

Will get back to yall soon.

 

tom in what way would you say your game here is similar to MK?

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Agree/Disagree? Where am I wrong?

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Zen why do you think tom is the best lynch today? Do you townread both quiddity and rubicon?

 

I'm not sure the merits of debating how similar I played in various games. Part of my whole "infinite range" thing is that I change my playstyle all the time. In this game I've let others do most of the pushing and just tried to manipulate wagons to see what happened. I'd say that, my general approach, has been pretty similar to MK.
I lived and breathed that game the whole time I was alive, and had really solid scumreads. Whereas here I've not been super attentive and been more focused on finding the townies to win with. But that's setup based.

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Anyway.
Zenzao read hasn't changed. And I think I talked myself into Quid being town yesterday.
So DLGN/Rubicon.

I liked DLGN from the moment he replaced in. His tone and earnestness won me over.
But, like, he didn't actually do anything townie. I mean, pot>kettle whatever. But it's just not that hard to have good tone when your partner is dying and you aren't even a part of it.
And then there's the paradigm shift to me and the main thing is that I'm playing differently than one of the two times we've played together and... yeah. I was awful in SVM. Why would I play like that again?

Rubicon pushed Vaimes early. And on the one hand why would you hard bus in mountainous, but on the other scumVaimes is always getting lynched. If scum got any benefit from the Vaimes lynch, Ruby is the one.

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Yeah OK.

Vote DLGN

I'm not really gonna put more time into this game. Just being real with yall.
Like, everything after day 2 is mostly meaningless. And I've read the first 2 days a bunch of times.
Kills make the most sense for DLGN. Zenzao being alive makes fairly little sense for Rubicon. None of the kills make sense for Quid. And if Zenzao was scum he could have picked NKs out of a hat starting N2 and probably won anyway.

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Pretty sure if I was scum I'd have aimed straight for a Fonti/Miner/Me final 3 for maximum lulz, but I might have chickened out.
That totally explains her dying on night 3 if anyone wants to make that their "tomscum theory"

 

Day Ends in <Timer is in Day Start Post>.

 

I've been over Rubicon extensively, I still don't like him toDay but I'm not going to try and lynch him when the probable scum is in either tom or you. Quid is getting a pass until F3 if we still fuckup toDay. I haven't looked hard at tom all Game, and my vote toDay is carrying on with Fonti, HF, and IIRC Waco's suggestion that tom was probable scum.

But at the moment(and pending a fresh reread to verify and/or tunnel myself into a conclusion), I'm actually leaning you right now.

I don't remember who it was, but I recall it being said a few days ago that Vaimes didn't have much interaction with regards to Cobalt. I think from my reread of Vaimes a while back that he only about mentioned Cobalt in a 'he isn't here so shrug' kind of way? And then what Waco pointed out yesterDay on Vaimes' scumplay has got me thinking that he was on the right track, about a lacking partner diminishing his own play style.

What it comes down to is that my meta is too old to help, so I'm trying to go off of gut for now, and you've done some things I haven't been too happy about in hindsight(and I mentioned your vanishing around DayEnd when we lynched... HF? Well now I don't remember for a certainty, IIRC it was the night you Swapped in. You were pushing on Rubicon and Waco and just went silent until like a minute before the deadline).

Lynch Vote dLGN.

 

The merits are I am town and trying to read you. You brought up MK yesterday because you thought I should see more similarities between this game and that than SVM and I went and skimmed your iso of that game last night to try and see what you're talking about. But now you don't have much interest in helping me read you, apparently.

You seemed pretty certain I was town in past days but it wasn't just for tone reasons.

So why is all of that suddenly no longer the case?

Finally let's talk about these posts a bit.

The kills do not make the most sense for me in the same way that they don't mean a damn thing about any one of us. That is completely baseless.

Since subbing in Lyric has died, who was a universal townread and never getting mislynched, so an obvious kill for any mafia to make.

Fonti was also a near universal townread, went hard on vaimes, was posting well, was not a likely mislynch, and a pretty obvious kill for any mafia to make.

Miner was spewed town by Vaimes though interactions and was never getting mislynched, so an obvious kill for any mafia to make.

The kills do not point to me, they do not point to you, they do not point to anybody. They are just mechanical and any reasonable person can see that.

Furthermore this 'tomscum theory' nonsense re: the fonti kill is just that, your own fabrication. Why are you defending yourself with wifom about something that nobody is using against you?

Really, really poor post and tbh I almost just naked voted you in spite earlier today but I am not 100% sure you are the mafia.

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This post is nearly as tilting as tom's because at least one of you is town.

1. 'the probable scum is in either tom or you'
Without a townread on Rubicon or Quiddity, there is no basis for this claim, regardless of votes or anything else. You can only say this if you have reason to suspect the mafia is not elsewhere. And you explicitly admit that you are giving Quiddity a pass (not a read either way) until f3 and that you haven't even read tom. So you're voting POE when.... everybody is POE, because you have no reads. Also lol at saying you're continuing on with fonti and waco's scumreads on tom by voting me, but ok.

Few interactions between von and Cobalt is a thing only so far as Cobalt didn't really have interactions with anybody. He posted like 4 times and most people didn't have a read on Cobalt, not just von. Some people like Jan went so far as to say any scum lean on Cobalt was bad just because he should be null to everybody (and considering he had flipped his scumread of von to a sort of townread by EOD1 you could argue that a von+cobalt team never kills Jan n1).

I don't have much to say about the whole lack of motivating partner bit because all I know is that I am not mafia so it's not because his partner wasn't around. Von isn't known for his scum play and doesn't enjoy it so it's probably safe to say he just wasn't interested in the game + had school/work going on, like he said.

Finally the bit about the EOD.... How is that even scummy? I was around and searching through earlier pages to find posts to support my conclusions, not just like refreshing and shitposting random panicy nonsense or anything. I had a vote down, so like... who cares if I didn't consistently post every 2 minutes?? Wut??

Please give me some actual thoughts about tom and quiddity because just voting me and hoping to salvage this in f3 is not going to cut it.

 

It might!

No I'm not really interested in helping you read me in that way. Because I don't think "he's playing differently/similarly than ____" will ever be a good way to read me.
Would you like a link to me playing as a spider? All in rhyme? Looking for scum? Only looking for town? Entirely in MTG flavor text from the Alara block?

I do stuff. I've had a similar ish approach to MK but I can show you scumgames where I've played the same way. It's whatever.

If you're town... well fuck
But I don't think you are.

 

I mean... you acted as though it was clear as day earlier in the game, and now suddenly you were just wrong, or something.

Yes, I am town. And I'm a little concerned about why you townread me so strongly more so than why you are flipping on me now, because if you're mafia that part needs no explanation, and the fact that you have no reasoning looks bad for you, not me.

I'd go so far as to say you should have been scumreading Cobalt as somebody who played MK, even with his only 4 or so posts and despite Jan's point that nobody should have a read on Cobalt.

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...ish-Mash-Mafia?p=901629&viewfull=1#post901629

I was pretty surprised when I found out Cobalt was town, tbh.

 

Well, the approach worked great in MK.
Whereas here I defended the only flipped scum and might be lynched.
So the comparison is a little iffy.
So bad results so far, but same approach.

I don't think Cobalt was scummy so much as "not here"
And yes I do still think your process looked good. But it was pretty easy.

IDK man. I know it's not me. I don't think its Quid. I'm pretty sure it's not Zenzao.

Why should I vote rubicon over you?

 

Because I am town and you very strongly and correctly read me as town, maybe?

While your reads on Quiddity, Zen, and Rubicon are.... ???

 

Goddammit.

Unvote

Watching basketball and heading out for a bit. Here in 5 or 6 hours.

 

You are stating 2 things against me.

1. Night kills, which I went over and said do not point to me or anybody else. They are neutral, obvious, mechanical kills.

2. That I don't know how to read you this game, just that you are 'different' than SVM, which is very true and not a scummy assessment.

It would be very easy for mafia me to just bury you for your posts today and the reasoning/legacy fonti gave. I am not interested in just burying somebody I don't have a read on, though, when I am not sure about the other people in the game, either. And I'm not sure why you or Zen both seem ok doing that.

 

I mean, I'm not using nightkills against you.
Well I am.
But not negative for you its a big positive for quid and a little bit for rubicon.

Yes if you're scum they're just universal townreads dying.
That's the point.

Talk to me about the timing of your push on me yesterday. It felt wrong, but I'm prolly biased

 

Done with rl stuff for the moment.

I think this is solvable today.

 

Waco was towny and not acting like the last scum about to lose the game.

I didn't have much on him but a lot of confirmation bias (I did substantiate why I thought he and rubicon was a team that made sense, but less so why I thought he could individually be mafia). I looked at the other players and had decent reasons to townread everybody else and no real reason to townread you. Thought you were a better lynch. Definitely reached that conclusion way too late in the day phase and am sorry to Waco for that. Didn't expect him to put in significantly more effort there than he had earlier in the game. Think my remorse came through in one of my last posts before deadline.

I'd be lying if I didn't suspect you a good bit more than everybody else, still, but I am very unsure about it, and need to get a better read on you as well as everybody else, preferably sooner rather than later as to not make the same mistake as yesterday.

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For this to be solvable I'd personally need Zen to give me more about Quid/tom and definitely more from Quiddity. Quiddity was mafia with me in SVM for a couple weeks and I think his read should be better than everybody elses. And right now he is just voting me "to hear more" which is not even a read or serious vote.

 

On 3ds, watching Flash as I write this.

Rubicon Quiddity
Want to chime in now, folks?

dLGN: Good to see there is more fire in you this late in the game, so that addresses that.

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And then several more posts. Hang on.

 

dLGN: you suspect Zenzao?

 

Will look into Quid and tom when I'm back on the desktop in an hour or so(basketball preempted Flash and Legends again), and if I take about as long during analysis as on earlier attempts, it will be roughly an hour and a half per player to sort through them both.

In the meanwhile, I don't suppose attempting to pull something out of the pre-CFD votals for each Day so far would make this matter easier?

 

Unsure. I have been thinking, again, that his weird quote read gambit thingy he did was too elaborate for a mafia to do. Also von didn't really seem to be forcing things when he got Zen's avatar confused with someone else and that's a really clever post if they're partners.

But Zen is posting really, really poorly. Votes have nothing behind them, checked out from the game, saying things that in my experience are >>>rand mafia (eg. lamenting that nobody sees their scumread and so just goes along with consensus wagons rather than offering much original thought).

I'd like to feel a bit more confident about them, especially if I am the lynch today, because if Zen is town they're going into f3 with ~no thoughts about anybody else except a vague scumread on tom /because he's kinda an accepted scummy poe person just like dlgn/. If he's mafia, he's skating by with no effort, unreasoned votes, no townreads they have to backtrack on tomorrow and I'm not sure we win that f3.