I mean - the more you write the more I can read, which is a good thing.

But if you are dead certain on miner being a witch then you need to either go over my head (or wait until tomorrow and hope I die/kill me) or convince me.

 

The post saving thing on this new forum is the best thing in the universe, btw.
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How long are you gonna be online?

 

@Rubicon
@Delphine
@Miner

Could you three do me the favor and give me your top towns with reasons.
Trying to see if we can make a somewhat working towncircle, but I am not sure how your reads have all evolved.
Reads on each other are not needed for the matter (unless you want to lynch each other in which case, don't do that please?)
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Well .. it is 10 am .. one would expect all day .. but then again I am likely to take a nap whenever I get bored. :X

Like .. I have really no idea, only awake for 10-12 hours right now, so I could go for a good while longer if something fun happens.

(A part of me thinks about visiting kittens at the shelter, but another part is unsure about the weather)

 

It's 1:10 AM for me, but I'm gonna finish the wall before I sleep. Yay, Sundays.

... I guess it's a wall? I have a lot of thoughts, and I don't want to make them all separate posts.

 

It's more of a "This is something I'd like to know both for this game and the future" type of thing Jan.

 

Bold, unafraid more investigative.
Things like that make her more likely town.

It is slightly muddy here because of the internet problems, but the quality of her posts is higher than most.

A lot of it is me trying to read her mind(set) and see what happens. Works somewhat well most of the time.

 

Hashtag for the horse.
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Delphine? Can you elaborate on your GH read more? I want to learn more about why this dude is a witch.

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Thought of this while writing, and I think it would be useful to have more thoughts on this votal:

Fable (1): Miner (#522)
GeneralHandkerchief (2): Delphine (#481), Fluffiness (#580)
Jarizok (4): Beruru (#337), Fontisian (#355), Rubicon (#498), Jan (#623)
Fluffiness (4): GeneralHandkerchief (#421), Asmodeus (#436), Jarizok (#660), Fable (#664)

Vote positioning around the Jari train immediately before the consolidation is... weird.

Like, explain the thing to me, because I'm trying to explain the thing to me? Rubicon is proooooooooooooobably town, and this is his only real outlying thing, so.

The question I actually want to think about is how the fuck did wolves think EoD was going to work? Did they actually think Jari stood a chance of getting lynched in the future? How do they try to make themselves look better for not being there when half the wagon is going to be conftown based on their kill and the other half is.... me and Rubi.

So... why are they somewhere else, where did they go, why did they get there, and how did they end up on Jari? (Everyone ended up voting for Jari at some point, btw.)
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If you need it, here's the full votal progression from that point onwards:

Jari votes me in 683, and Miner votes me in 685, like so:

GeneralHandkerchief (2): Delphine (#481), Fluffiness (#580)
Beruru (2): Jarizok (#683), Miner (#685)
Fluffiness (3): GeneralHandkerchief (#421), Asmodeus (#436), Fable (#664)
Jarizok (4): Beruru (#337), Fontisian (#355), Rubicon (#498), Jan (#623)

However, the attempted Beru CFD didn't happen.

From this point on, people vote on Jari in this order:

GeneralHandkerchief (2): Delphine (#481), Fluffiness (#580)
Jarizok (9): Beruru (#337), Rubicon (#498), Jan (#623), Fable (#689), GeneralHandkerchief (#695), Miner (#707), Asmodeus (#708), Jarizok (#718), Fontisian (#721)

And then Fluff hammered. Or overhammered, as the case may be. Fonti didn't have to revote there, but did it anyway... the only player left off Jari was Delphine.

 

Don't think I have anything to add.

See also 475, 477, 481, 906.

 

Can you elaborate in a way that might actually convince people to lynch him?

 

Ughhh my friend called me and then texted me about how much they hate their life and I got pulled into a 3hr conversation that left me drained
Could've spent that time reading
Now I'm exhausted, but tonight is my only real shot of solving game before final 24hrs
Really want to sleep
can't stop won't stop
letting myself sleep means Yraelz wins. Can't let that happen.
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Oh beru you're awake wake me up too
water isn't helping

 

Caffeine? Jumping jacks?

 

It's day two.

There's always toMorrow.

...

... but I also... don't want to let you do that.

A shower might be good. Ice water if not coffee?

Your dedication is appreciated.
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Ooh, if you have headphones, really loud music might help.

I feel like that gets in the way of thinking for me, though...

 

Jumping jacks would probably do it but that sounds like too much work
Coffee maybe
I think I'll just play music and man up I've been tireder than this for maf before and music usually helps

 

#906 in essence is why I want to lynch him, other than that I didn't fully rehash my issues with the reaction tests issue (quotes and other links). Which I can do in a fuller post, but I have other things I want to address first that I haven't already written a wall on.

 

K.

This doesn't change my imminent longpost.

 

oh nice musicmeld
kk gonna continue what I was doing before and reading from start of phase.
Oh, and I got the impression you were asking everyone about their Jari votes. I think it should be obvious, but mine was like 99% to ensure a lynch took place because any lynch is better than nolynch. other 1% curiosity but I'd never have made that vote if this were regular majority lynch

 

My top towns are actually the same as Fluff's - Rubicon, Asmo, you.

Uhh..actually I'll more fully respond to this when I don't feel like I'm Garciaing Asmo.

As for miner, uh. Makes sense that two of the three things confusing me about his play are related, but

Mindset slip??

And I'm still wondering about his Asmo read.

 

Welcome to the other side of the mirror, buddy.
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Delphine, ilu.

Vote miner vote miner vote miner.

 

Of all things to respond to this morning, why this instead of #877?
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Have you, uh, read my posts? Have you read any post that's longer than 8 lines?
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Wasn't a copy-paste; punctuation's different.

Only thing I like about the post are the use of the words "outrageous" and "trash", although I think they could be applied to the post itself.
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I need a break.

 

I'm almost done......... !

And then!

A bear can sleep!!
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A bear gave in when seeing the amount of posts Asmo and Fable have together. Rip bear.

Posting what I have.....
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So... I read everyone's ISO, because I hate myself, apparently. I don't do the full ISO thing, so here's a summary of beruthoughts:

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If I did a paragraph on Jan, it would probably end up with him being scum. But accidental IC, lol, so... plus, from the perspective of knowing, he looks a lot similar to WHI. To be fair, I only have two games I was in with him to reference - this one and WHI. But I think these thoughts are accurate. Also, yeah. So.

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Delphine - My townread on Delphine is starting to get more X-Files and less real. Asks a lot of questions, some of which are questionable, but most of which she follows up on if she actually has anything that needs to be clarified. She calls the way GH said he was going meta diving out for being scummy, but... I don't see it. Actually going to look to see if something that pings you is actually AI for that person is probably a good idea.

Summary of reads from ISO: First post contains vote for Jarizok with actual reasons. Claims it's a gut read slightly later... Her callout on GH for reaction testing sounding like scum her sounds solid, but town are allowed to have inconclusive results. Continues to scumread GH consistently. Totally buries Jari for his Actually Town Wall mostly based around the "scum chat" quote, and... like... calls it "cute". Really strange. Even though she contributed a lot to the Jari case, she leaves her vote on GH acknowledging that it may be the last post she's able to make D1, which is... concerning. Knowing that the thread might have needed her to actually lynch Jari... Today, she's continued her pursuit of GH, but it doesn't feel like she's trying to convince the rest of the thread about it?

The thing that bothers me the most about her was that there was no way GH was going to get lynched yesterday, and it feels like she saw a good opportunity to park in the middle of nowhere and took it? ... or she just gambled with irl. I wouldn't have in her position, but. Yikes.

Her posts look good, but the reasons in the posts and what she's actually doing about things... bother me. If you have limited time... being off in the middle of nowhere isn't what I'd do?

I want to believe Delphine is town.

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Rubicon - I... kind of don't like his confidence in being able to read everyone? Somehow, it feels like TMI to me... He actually like, is trying to solve, though. So... that's nice.

Summary of reads in ISO: Uh. Scumreading me because apparently this is the same as my play in WHI. Scumreading Fonti because.... ? Nullread on Miner only leaning town because of Miner's push on Fonti, which... makes sense, but feels like it could have been elaborated on? Buries Jari for the "scum chat" line in 359, same as Delphine, actually. His push on Asmo today feels good, and tbh, I kind of agree with it. His posts today have been a lot stronger, too.

On the other hand. His push on Jari feels.... weird, and his EoD feels extra weird. Plus, if there's one wolf in the initial four on Jari... it has to be him. Like. It's not unusual for wolves to let a town wagon entirely be pushed by town... uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, that's kind of an understatement. I don't think wolves would have held out on Fluff for that long, though? Like, I don't think Jari would ever get lynched in the future if we hadn't lynched him there, and Fluff was an obvious easy ML that wolves on him would have trouble getting people to actually go on... like, were they looking for credit for not lynching Jari, because that's not how actual vote analysis works. That's not how any of this works.

Of course, there's also the possibility that it's just Miner/Fluff and we live in the most annoying world.

Rubicon's section is a bad place to put this, but it's what I'm thinking right now, so deal with it. Beru's disorganized brain belongs to the thread now.

Oh, also. At the beginning of toDay, he said that he's townreading me because my tone is the same as WH9... but yesterday, he said it was the same as WHI.

A bear has questions.

(He is probably closest to the concept most people think of as "top town" for me right now, though.)

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GeneralHankerchief - I don't really.... understand? Dude was the subject of some vote parking. I'm amused by him actually acknowledging that he was planning on lurking until the last 24 hours, but I'm not sure if actually posting that is... too self aware? Townread on Asmo, He actually posted a reads list, hot damn. Notably scumreads Delphine before Delphine scumread him. Fluff vote comes from... not wanting to actually vote Delphine? ??? He pushes Fluff today, too, which isn't the problem if I didn't sort of think that if Fluff is town wolves in general are setting up some sort of Jari -> Fluff/Beru -> Beru/Fluff lynch order. The issue is that his actual posts are good, again. Sorry, phoning this in a little bit, it's 4 am and I have been up forrrrrrrr.......... 20 hours. Yay.

Summary of reads from ISO: Says in first post that he wanted to scumread Jan and Asmo, but didn't because of phase length. Resistant to Jan townclear. In a perfect world, I wouldn't be scumreading people for reading me town on D1, but here I am. Scumreads (?) on Jari and Fable.

Less of an X Files read, but also the strength of the regular townread is below how I feel about my desire for Delphine being town.

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Asmodeus - I'm going to do this in the morning, sorry. Rip me. Can't think properly anymore. Do think he's town, but I keep getting pinged for weird things? Don't remember his read progression, either.

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Fable - Yeah, this one too. I haven't interacted with Fable as much? I'm surprised he's in top 3 posters because it feels like his existence just, like.... slides off my mind. Need to read this and check his read progression. Possibly my only actual nullread at this point.

Yes, I was doing these in order from least posts to most posts. A bear can be lazy, sometimes.

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his fluffiness - Fluff posted regular Fluff amounts. Fluff almost died. Fluff proceeded to make way more posts than he usually does. (Dropped off quite a bit since he started being townread, though.) When he calls his activity lacking and acknowledges the scumreads... it feels like... someone is talking through him. I don't think Fluff would post that on his own - dude is self aware.

Summary of reads in ISO: His vote and read on GH are fucking solid, actually. Then disappeared until he had to vote Jari in order to wield the hammer, and today decided to go to Beru tunnel city. Scumreading Delphine for something she has literally no control over is slightly tilting, but I feel like Fluff should know that her being scum isn't the reason she's not around. He could find legitimate reasons to scumread Delphine in her posts, but he decides to go for the path of least resistance. His switch to Fable when he realizes I'm not actually going to get lynched is also a thing. Fable makes decent long posts, and Fluff's responses basically show up as "no, u".

Reading his posts over and over is beginning to convince myself we should have done this yesterDay, but I don't think he can be scum together with Miner unless they really thought that Fluff had no chance of being the actual lynch.

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Miner - It doesn't feel like he's trying to do anything useful? He says that he's doing useful things, but his ISO doesn't actually contain anything of value. He has, like, one real scumread (hi) and all he's doing is pushing that. Any attempts to talk to him or get him to do anything else end up with nothing. Pressure on him magically doesn't exist. He asks people a lot of useless questions with no followup... I don't think the follow up actually matters when the questions are useless to begin with, but. He said that his content was specifically geared to get a reaction out of people on D1, but... there wasn't really that much of it? And I don't think it did what he actually wanted it to do.

Summary of reads in ISO: His scumreads were Fonti, for scumreading him, and Rubi, for... being on the same lynches as him. Ok. Some hours later, his read on Fonti got "her reads keep changing" added onto it (tbh, it's.... valid). However, this is also true for him. He suddenly drops Fonti and then tries to go after me, then suddenly drops me and decides to go after Fable. Lolcats at Fonti at EOD about possibly not having enough votes to lynch Jari, when the other lynch was Fluff... but he had said earlier in the day that he didn't want to lynch Fluff. Lolcats at me for not having enough votes to lynch him. Today... only seven posts, mostly tunneling me with an occasional side of Fable.

The posts today have just been hyper-tunnelly, and dude isn't even thinking about the concept of reconsidering anything for actual reasons.

I know I did the drive by quote-and-vote on him, but "TBH at this point if you still don't think I'm as close to being clear as I'm gonna get then you're insane." is objectively wolfy from a dude who has done basically nothing and every time I see it I wish the dude was fucking dead already.

Burn the witch.

Vote: Miner
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So... I read everyone's ISO, because I hate myself, apparently. I don't do the full ISO thing, so here's a summary of beruthoughts:

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If I did a paragraph on Jan, it would probably end up with him being scum. But accidental IC, lol, so... plus, from the perspective of knowing, he looks a lot similar to WHI. To be fair, I only have two games I was in with him to reference - this one and WHI. But I think these thoughts are accurate. Also, yeah. So.

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Delphine - My townread on Delphine is starting to get more X-Files and less real. Asks a lot of questions, some of which are questionable, but most of which she follows up on if she actually has anything that needs to be clarified. She calls the way GH said he was going meta diving out for being scummy, but... I don't see it. Actually going to look to see if something that pings you is actually AI for that person is probably a good idea.

Summary of reads from ISO: First post contains vote for Jarizok with actual reasons. Claims it's a gut read slightly later... Her callout on GH for reaction testing sounding like scum her sounds solid, but town are allowed to have inconclusive results. Continues to scumread GH consistently. Totally buries Jari for his Actually Town Wall mostly based around the "scum chat" quote, and... like... calls it "cute". Really strange. Even though she contributed a lot to the Jari case, she leaves her vote on GH acknowledging that it may be the last post she's able to make D1, which is... concerning. Knowing that the thread might have needed her to actually lynch Jari... Today, she's continued her pursuit of GH, but it doesn't feel like she's trying to convince the rest of the thread about it?

The thing that bothers me the most about her was that there was no way GH was going to get lynched yesterday, and it feels like she saw a good opportunity to park in the middle of nowhere and took it? ... or she just gambled with irl. I wouldn't have in her position, but. Yikes.

Her posts look good, but the reasons in the posts and what she's actually doing about things... bother me. If you have limited time... being off in the middle of nowhere isn't what I'd do?

I want to believe Delphine is town.

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Rubicon - I... kind of don't like his confidence in being able to read everyone? Somehow, it feels like TMI to me... He actually like, is trying to solve, though. So... that's nice.

Summary of reads in ISO: Uh. Scumreading me because apparently this is the same as my play in WHI. Scumreading Fonti because.... ? Nullread on Miner only leaning town because of Miner's push on Fonti, which... makes sense, but feels like it could have been elaborated on? Buries Jari for the "scum chat" line in 359, same as Delphine, actually. His push on Asmo today feels good, and tbh, I kind of agree with it. His posts today have been a lot stronger, too.

On the other hand. His push on Jari feels.... weird, and his EoD feels extra weird. Plus, if there's one wolf in the initial four on Jari... it has to be him. Like. It's not unusual for wolves to let a town wagon entirely be pushed by town... uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, that's kind of an understatement. I don't think wolves would have held out on Fluff for that long, though? Like, I don't think Jari would ever get lynched in the future if we hadn't lynched him there, and Fluff was an obvious easy ML that wolves on him would have trouble getting people to actually go on... like, were they looking for credit for not lynching Jari, because that's not how actual vote analysis works. That's not how any of this works.

Of course, there's also the possibility that it's just Miner/Fluff and we live in the most annoying world.

Rubicon's section is a bad place to put this, but it's what I'm thinking right now, so deal with it. Beru's disorganized brain belongs to the thread now.

Oh, also. At the beginning of toDay, he said that he's townreading me because my tone is the same as WH9... but yesterday, he said it was the same as WHI.

A bear has questions.

(He is probably closest to the concept most people think of as "top town" for me right now, though.)

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GeneralHankerchief - I don't really.... understand? Dude was the subject of some vote parking. I'm amused by him actually acknowledging that he was planning on lurking until the last 24 hours, but I'm not sure if actually posting that is... too self aware? Townread on Asmo, He actually posted a reads list, hot damn. Notably scumreads Delphine before Delphine scumread him. Fluff vote comes from... not wanting to actually vote Delphine? ??? He pushes Fluff today, too, which isn't the problem if I didn't sort of think that if Fluff is town wolves in general are setting up some sort of Jari -> Fluff/Beru -> Beru/Fluff lynch order. The issue is that his actual posts are good, again. Sorry, phoning this in a little bit, it's 4 am and I have been up forrrrrrrr.......... 20 hours. Yay.

Summary of reads from ISO: Says in first post that he wanted to scumread Jan and Asmo, but didn't because of phase length. Resistant to Jan townclear. In a perfect world, I wouldn't be scumreading people for reading me town on D1, but here I am. Scumreads (?) on Jari and Fable.

Less of an X Files read, but also the strength of the regular townread is below how I feel about my desire for Delphine being town.

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Asmodeus - I'm going to do this in the morning, sorry. Rip me. Can't think properly anymore. Do think he's town, but I keep getting pinged for weird things? Don't remember his read progression, either.

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Fable - Yeah, this one too. I haven't interacted with Fable as much? I'm surprised he's in top 3 posters because it feels like his existence just, like.... slides off my mind. Need to read this and check his read progression. Possibly my only actual nullread at this point.

Yes, I was doing these in order from least posts to most posts. A bear can be lazy, sometimes.

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his fluffiness - Fluff posted regular Fluff amounts. Fluff almost died. Fluff proceeded to make way more posts than he usually does. (Dropped off quite a bit since he started being townread, though.) When he calls his activity lacking and acknowledges the scumreads... it feels like... someone is talking through him. I don't think Fluff would post that on his own - dude is self aware.

Summary of reads in ISO: His vote and read on GH are fucking solid, actually. Then disappeared until he had to vote Jari in order to wield the hammer, and today decided to go to Beru tunnel city. Scumreading Delphine for something she has literally no control over is slightly tilting, but I feel like Fluff should know that her being scum isn't the reason she's not around. He could find legitimate reasons to scumread Delphine in her posts, but he decides to go for the path of least resistance. His switch to Fable when he realizes I'm not actually going to get lynched is also a thing. Fable makes decent long posts, and Fluff's responses basically show up as "no, u".

Reading his posts over and over is beginning to convince myself we should have done this yesterDay, but I don't think he can be scum together with Miner unless they really thought that Fluff had no chance of being the actual lynch.

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Miner - It doesn't feel like he's trying to do anything useful? He says that he's doing useful things, but his ISO doesn't actually contain anything of value. He has, like, one real scumread (hi) and all he's doing is pushing that. Any attempts to talk to him or get him to do anything else end up with nothing. Pressure on him magically doesn't exist. He asks people a lot of useless questions with no followup... I don't think the follow up actually matters when the questions are useless to begin with, but. He said that his content was specifically geared to get a reaction out of people on D1, but... there wasn't really that much of it? And I don't think it did what he actually wanted it to do.

Summary of reads in ISO: His scumreads were Fonti, for scumreading him, and Rubi, for... being on the same lynches as him. Ok. Some hours later, his read on Fonti got "her reads keep changing" added onto it (tbh, it's.... valid). However, this is also true for him. He suddenly drops Fonti and then tries to go after me, then suddenly drops me and decides to go after Fable. Lolcats at Fonti at EOD about possibly not having enough votes to lynch Jari, when the other lynch was Fluff... but he had said earlier in the day that he didn't want to lynch Fluff. Lolcats at me for not having enough votes to lynch him. Today... only seven posts, mostly tunneling me with an occasional side of Fable.

The posts today have just been hyper-tunnelly, and dude isn't even thinking about the concept of reconsidering anything for actual reasons.

I know I did the drive by quote-and-vote on him, but "TBH at this point if you still don't think I'm as close to being clear as I'm gonna get then you're insane." is objectively wolfy from a dude who has done basically nothing and every time I see it I wish the dude was fucking dead already.

Burn the witch.

Vote: Miner
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Double posting is satan.
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Actually, I'm still sort of awake? I might, like, mysteriously disappear because I pass out 'cos bed is comfy.

You can probably ask me questions you only want, like, a short answer to. Like. Extremely short.
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I keep condescension reading Delphine, but then I realized that this is what my posts must look like to everyone else sometimes. I was literally reading ancient Beruposts today, and...

... Beru learns why they get mislynched all the time, part 18.
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Oh no, everyone else went to bed, too...