I'm sorry for coming across as defensive since that was not my intention.

But, like i said, it depends on the author giving a reason and explaining why. That's the whole point, right? You can't have a character do something that you wouldn't expect them to unless you give a reason and explain why.

Naruto doesn't smoke for no reason in Trail Of Freedom, he's lost someone close to him which he blames himself for and is also in the process of dying. He smokes because it reminds him of everything and is like a reliever of types. Adding to that, Naruto is 18 in that fiction. So, it doesn't really bother me. I agree with you about the smoking thing not being good (my father has been in hospital twice because of it) and i actually spoke with the author after the first chapter.

He told me to wait a few chapters and you'll know why. He's actually against smoking himself and is some kind of health fitness freak. If you visit his profile, you'd know what i mean.

 

Ah. So now he's a smoking emo? >_<




In any case, decent enough fic. The smoking was iffy to me though. I've seen it used for no other reason than to make a character 'cool', so forgive me if I'm judgemental.


And while I know that losing someone close to you is hard, especially if you had something to do with their death, smoking is just out of hand for a shinobi of Naruto's caliber. I mean, pfeh. I lost my mother in March; did I smoke? No. Did I lose some sleep over it? Lots. But still. He's a fucking ninja. He's supposed to be used to death, at the very least, even at his age.

Asuma? I can understand. He's an accomplished Jounin level ninja, not to mention fully grown. Naruto's still a teen; it'll be havoc with his future performance.

Or that might just be me overreacting to an un-plot device that seems to be reoccurring pointlessly too often.

Apologies then.

 

Haha, at least he's not attempting to kill himself.

I'm waiting to read what his past is since the author is always saying he'll show it. I'll be able to understand it a lot better after that. So far, all we know is that Yuudai was really close to him. But he's supposed to be showing how and why soon.

That should explain why he can't cope with his death but i think i already know what lines he'll go along. Yuudai was probably what Team 7 are in canon, saved Naruto from his darkness. If Naruto's taking it so hard, then that's the only explanation really, in my opinion.

There's another fic i'd like to recommend called Walking Corpse. Great story.

I'm going to quickly check if it's been linked or not.

EDIT -

Yeah, i couldn't find it on here.

Title: Walking Corpse
Author: dazdnconfusd730
Rating: T
Pairing: None
Category: Adventure/Drama
Summary: Ten years ago Naruto died in the fight against Orochimaru. At least...that's what everyone was told.

Okay, this fiction is not yaoi but i think there is a version of it which is. I don't like Yaoi so i won't be linking that. It's a good story and worth the read. I enjoyed it myself.

 

...your comparing your self to a fictional character...or was that nonfictional character damn. Everyones different with different personalities and characteristics. He has a real honest to god good reason for smoking other than just because he lost a loved one in the past. There is a second reason for that. I don't want to spoil it but...whatever.

Either way i've read the story and he is far from emo. Trust me on that. The amount of motivation and the paths he goes through all in the name of survival is interesting. Which is a far cry from being a smoking emo. All the character are very well developed and the plot is unique and is actually going somewhere rather than beating around the bush until the author finds one. Besides, it's not that dark at all. It has great humor and naruto seems to have mood swings of a pregnant women.

Just try this fic out all the way through to the end and you will end up enjoying it. ^_^

 

Erf... about Walking Corpse, are you sure it's not slash...

Because the first chapter is just so full of repressed passion between Naruto and Sasuke that it makes me gag.

Seriously:

I am wary of clicking the "Next Chapter" button...

 

The one i linked shouldn't be. I know she's wrote a version which is though.

 

Tobi is not Madara, he just brags about having a power like Madara's.

I didn't see where he refers to himself as Madara, just that he has the power Uchiha Madara wielded.

I'm still firm in my belief that Tobi is Obito, and where did you get him as leader from?

I was under the oppression that Pein was the Leader. Because when they were talking about Tobi's death, they didn't say anything about the leader dieing. Just that the new kid was gone.

I couldn't hold it in when I saw your post a few minutes ago. >_> It irritates me, for some reason. Maybe it's because of my Tobi obsession, eh.

 

Strange.. it seems clear to me that tobi (Which I believe is Obito too) was the leader.

 

Tobi is Madara.

The translators have all agreed on it and confirmed it multiple times for everyone who doesn't believe. I know since i help out with the stuff. The way he said it was just for dramatisation.

Madara is the true leader, the one behind everything. That is crystal clear with the new chapters.

 

Meh, I Don't agree with you. It's certainly not what I read.

 

Madara is too old, isn't' he? He'd be dead. I mean, Sarutobi was like, what? 70-80? And he was at least 20 years younger than the First and Second Hokage's, which were his teachers.

So Madara would be like....100 years old. No way. He isnt' the leader, and he isnt' Tobi. Again, they didn't mourn the leaders death, because Tobi isn't the leader. Nor is he Madara, he's too young to be Madara. Unless he pulled an Orochimaru.

 

...Here is what I thought....Pein is the leader of the Akatsuki, but Tobi is the one who pulls the strings. Everyone seemed to think that Tobi was a fun loving guy with minimal skill, I think Kisame said something like, "He may not have been skilled, but he really brightened up the place,"

Even the leader said, "A person like Tobi can be replaced, but a person like Deidara can not." If Pein is saying something like that in front of the whole group then I am lead to believe that the group doesn't know about the true Tobi. Hence, possible leader.

Akatsuki has already shown that it has members over s 100 years old (Kukazu, maybe Hidan), so it is not impossible if he is Madara. Though I think that it is really Obito. Maybe he planned this whole thing from before he "died". Now, that would be awesome if he did; imagine Kakashi's reaction.

 

The members don't know that Madara is the one behind everything. That's the twist Kishi did! They're being led on without knowing. The people in on it are Pain, BH and maybe Itachi but that's iffy. No one else knows.

Pain is under Madara and leading the Akatsuki for him. The purpose, reason, motive is all Madara but we don't know what. What we do know is that he needs Sasuke now and the Kyuubi is also important. Madara is the leader, the guy behind the scenes, the guy plotting everything, the guy with the masterplan.

And yes, Madara is Tobi.

Is that his original body? How can he survive for so long? I'm sure it will be answered in due time but Tobi is Madara. That is indisputable fact.

Read these links for some understanding.

Tobi is Madara

Tobi is Madara 2

Ignore the errors and refresh. The servers been crap lately.

 

They are only speculations. Nothing more. From what i understands he has this delusions that he deserves the power of madara like many other villans in other stories. This should remind everyone that allot of villans aka phyco's think they deserve someones power because they think they deserve it like showed in many other mangas and movies and whatnot.

Uchiha Madara's powers

He has this dellusions that the power of madar's is his and he believes he deserves it. If you guys remember in the uchiha itachi's arc, when he said something like, "the great uchiha clan has fallen from what it once was". the reason itachi killed all those people is becaues he thinks they don't deserve to live...more like cleaning up the un pure so to speak. Meaning, during Madara's time, the clan was hell of allot stronger than it once was.

So technically, Tobi wants the power of the original shringrian user aka Uchiha Madara. Now you have to understand, this Sharingan was gifted by the nine tails so the originals power vaned over the generations as the time passed by. It is a wonder why the nine tails said it was cursed. So it is bound to be super powerful. the eyes are demonic after all.

 

They're not speculations. The guys who understand and speak japanese. The one's who translate and are the reason you are reading the manga all agree that Tobi is Madara.

They're the ones who do the job which allows you to enjoy the manga. Unless, you can translate japanese, you are completely incorrect.

Those guys translate the japanese text hence their word is law. It's as simple as that.

 

Are you sure? I don't remember once reading a line saying that anywhere in the manga. The only time I have seen Kyuubi mention the Uchiha was when he told Sasuke he has the same wicked chakra as Madara, and those cursed eyes. I don't recall him saying that they were his creation. And I don't remember anyone else saying anything like it.

Did I miss it? If I did, please point out the chapter so I can go back and read it.

 

Wow! so they can read japanese. And there translating to english so we have as much right as they do unless there screwing us over. And one more thing buddy, i read mangas that are translated by a guy i know that is not connected to the guys you are talking about.

I appologize, i was getting my self confused with a theory this one guy wrote that is really well done.

 

No, you don't have as much right.

When you translate, you take in a lot of things, for example, context, how the man was speaking. Your word means nothing.

The guys who are translating and understand everything explained it was Madara simply referring to himself in the 3rd person like normal villains do for added effect.

The translations we use are done by the best possible. They're a group and when things like this occur, they discuss it between them.

And guess what, they all agreed on one thing. Madara = Tobi.

They translated into english and it made perfect sense to me. He was referring to himself in the 3rd person but because idiots started causing an uproar everywhere of how that's not what it is, the translators clarified.

The whole of Japan believes the same damn thing.

It is pure stupidity to go against the words of the guys who are making it possible for you to read the manga. They're translation and they even clarified when people got confused. They didn't make a mistake, people just like to make more of somehting which isn't there.

It would be like Kishimoto saying that Itachi killed his family but fans continue to argue that there was a possibility he didn't. It's pure stupidity.

 

I can attest to that, as I'm a native speaker of the damn language.

It IS Madara referring to himself in third person. End of story.


And Oujou, since you're going on about having as much 'right' on whatever you're talking of by way of speaking English, how about fixing up your grammar a bit, hmm? That might make your... argument a bit more believable.

Wow! You're speaking English! That gives you a right to... to... to SOMETHING! Yeah, Something with a capital S might be wonderful!

Pardon the baiting.

And besides, your argument about the connection between the Kyuubi and the Sharingan (and Madara) is purely conjecture. The only things we learned were that A) the Kyuubi is familiar with both the Sharingan and Uchiha Madara, and B) Sasuke's chakra and eyes are similar to that of Madara's. That's ALL we know, aside from the fact that the Uber!Sharingan can apparently suppress the Kyuubi.

You're also being a bit self-conscious and paranoid in regards to the translators. Most of them are doing it as a side-job or as a hobby, if you've ever thought of it that way and taken it for granted. They're taking time out of their lives to translate what amounts to a children's comic for the swathes of English-speaking, Japanese-illiterate fans that roam the streets of the world. And besides, the Naruto fandom is nothing if not large. I'd expect some high-quality translations from trustable sites like Narutofan and the like, even if I wasn't a native speaker of Japanese.

...And yes, the scanlations posted there ARE in general, 90 to 95% accurate, taking into account interpretation errors (as Japanese is a language drastically different to English, there's a myriad of ways one could translate a single sentence, each as accurate as the last but may come off wrong or iffy to the audience).

Any arguments? No?

If not, I'll just senior member your ass, biatch