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Discussion in 'Books and Anime Discussion' started by Cruentus, Jun 6, 2008.

  1. Zombie

    Zombie Black Philip Moderator DLP Supporter

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    Thats insightful then. I guess given Saint Danes actions, that could work out. Although, if that was true, don't you think he would be more forceful? Or maybe there's more behind the scenes action going on.

    Favorite world would have to be Cloral. It reminded me so much of Waterworld, that it was insta-win. Waterworld and The Postman are two good post apocolyptic movies. That is, if you can deal with some of the actors.

    Also, the science of Cloral, using the water around them to adapt, and build large sustainable cites. Its just cool to see something like that at work.

    A runner up would be Quallian. It also reminds me of a moive, I can't remember the name, but it had the same premise to it. The Dados are cool, along with the weapons. The entire atmosphere of that world is almost like The most Dangerous Game. Fight for Survival, ftw.

    Another would have to be Zadaa. Namely, Loor is the shit. Also, the above world and the below world is pretty cool. I like the concept that the scholars live below ground, because either they were smart enough to get out of the heat, or they're just a seperate species to the overworld.

    Again, the vast majority of the worlds that we've seen so far, all have had humanoid inhabitants. Black Water was cool in the sense that it was Planet of the Apes in feel. I kept expecting Bobby to yell out, "I'm a MAN NOT AN ANIMAL," or "Its a mad house!" He certainly had the Blue-eyes effect going.

    Edit:

    Yeah, Rayne was a bit FUBARed in my opinion. Smack int he face, really. Veelox was alright. But, I've seen the Virtual world, people extinction thing done in alot of sci-fi books- so the outcome, even as shocking as it was, was pretty much expectd.

    Anyone ever read The Dark Room, The Future Room, or something like that. They put on the brain cap, and it tells them what they'll be like at their 10th highschool reunion. The creator is some old hag that made it to keep in touch with the memory of her lover. All I'll say about the rest of it, Hacks for the win.

    @Quazi: Third Earth was disappointing. Although, it stuck with the modernist feel of when the authoer wrote the book, you would of thought that maybe he would of went out on a limb like a like of 20-60's sci-fi writers (Flying cars, giant cities in the sky, everyone is uber healthy, and amazing in everything they do.) One could argue that simplicity is best, in that situation.

    Yes, Denduron.

    That picture is full of lulz. Black face= Awsome. Reminds me of that guy that sung I wanna singa.
     
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  2. Cruentus

    Cruentus Chief Warlock DLP Supporter

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    Cloral was my favorite as well, but I also loved Veelox, not Rayne for those of you who know what I'm talking about.
     
  3. QuaziJoe

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    Corral... simply because a bunch of floating cities would be freaking awesome.

    That and the society worked well. It wasn't some dirt hole like Denduron(sp?), it had the tech and it wasn't completely retarded.

    I'm sorry but third earth sounds lame to me. A freaking underground mall and lots of parks... please.

    Edit: It seem's were in aggrement... I change my answer to the first earth. you can't beet a time when this was acceptable.
    [​IMG]
     
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  4. Cruentus

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    I personally would like to go swimming on Cloral....how awesome would that be?

    I also wouldn't say no to a try at Life Light.
     
  5. QuaziJoe

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    I was annoyed at what the author wrote for Bobby's dream. he could do anything and he chooses to play basketball.

    If it wasn't for how intriguing the concept is I would have given it up after I read bobby start talking about how super Courtney Chedwick was!
     
  6. Zombie

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    Didn't it also say that when Bobby was thinking, he was a bit anxious about the jump? I mean, sure he could have anything he wanted, and it is almost logical that it was a basketball game. He's been away from Second Earth for so long, its just fun to do something normal, for once.

    Yeah, he should be talking about how awesome Loor is. I mean come on. Those two were meant to be. Courtney has it for Mark, his acne infested nerd friend. Almost reminds me of Harry/Ginny, Ron/Hermione type situations.

    Edit: Agreed. That, and she's good with her hands. From what I recall, lol.
     
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  7. Cruentus

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    Except Loor actually has some sense in her head and is more useful then Ginny would ever be.
     
  8. QuaziJoe

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    Maybe so, but All I remember while reading it was that the author really needed to talk with an actual teenager before he wrote bobby's character.

    I mean come on...

    He grew up in a respectable white middle class family, had a dog, played sports, had a crush on the girl next door, he was popular, was the model son, a great family life...

    Even if everything was manufactured some how and it was never real to begin with, its so cliche it makes my eyes bleed angry emo tears.

    Even Harry was a little more interesting from the get go.
     
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  9. Zombie

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    How is it cliche? If everything is manufactured, as long as when Bobby is finally told that everything has been a fake, it ceases to be cliche.

    He grew up with basically a foster family. Then, once his "Uncle" comes to take him on their first trip to another world, you begin to see some of the dynamic. Bobby's young. But, by the end of Merchant of Death, he realizes that he's going to have to move on. He doesn't linger much on his family in the next few books, and he really pays it no mind.

    Now, had he went emo over the seperation of him and his family, sure, cliche. Not only that, the girl next door, is pretty much ripped away from him, almost immediately. There was really no need for her to begin with, she was something to fuel Bobby on.

    Especially when she and Mark become his acolytes. They add more of a plot twist to the story, later in the book- even though I hate their parts. I mean, the book is about Bobby's adventures. Thats what makes it so good though.

    Bobby has a goal to achieve, without that initial cliche to start it off, he'd just of been a kid, with his world hopping unlce off to fight against the forces of darkness. There would be no development, and everything would not be half as interesting as it already is.

    You need to remember: The seperation from his family ties into the later books. Especially when he begins to question his own existance, namely the end of The Rivers of Zadda, when him and Saint Dane have a "jedi" moment, and he does a heal buff on Loor.

    Sure, Harry was interesting from the beginning, but everything points to something out of the ordinary, from the start with him.

    With Bobby, it starts out, and as it progresses it draws the reader further in. They get the ground work for what is pretty much a static character. Then, the author take him, puts him, his world, and everything you knew, and shakes it up.

    JKR failed to do that. Had she, I think Harry Potter would of been more kick ass from the start.

    Its all about the shake up.

    Btw, Snapple anyone?
     
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  10. Cruentus

    Cruentus Chief Warlock DLP Supporter

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    Thats the idea. If you look at the travelers they have all been the ideal version of a person from that specific territory.
     
  11. QuaziJoe

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    Maybee I wasn't clear... this is the stuff that bugs me.

    and...

    If you can read those sentences without cringing, your a better man than I.
     
  12. Zombie

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    Oh, I see what you mean now. 60 year old man, trying to connect with his distanced son, type lingo. Yeah, when I read that, I sorta just fazed it out.
     
  13. QuaziJoe

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    I don't expect Bobby to start calling mark his Dawg, or Courtney his Ho, but I mean come on, it wouldn't take that much to figure out that no one in the history of man has ever spoken to another person that way.

    Again... Penguins would feel my wrath!
     
  14. Cruentus

    Cruentus Chief Warlock DLP Supporter

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    Lol I had almost completely forgotten about that.

    Its true that the dialog isn't as ideal as it should be, but I think it got the point across. The fact is that every Traveler so far has been the ideal version of a person from that territory.

    Bobby is a white male living with a loving family in suburbia with a crush on the girl next door, Gunny, from first earth, was the head Bell Hop of the Manhattan Hotel, Patrick, from third earth, was a respected school teacher and librarian, Spader, from Cloral, was the son of a respected leader of their civilization, fun loving, friendly, and also happened to be part of their police force, Aja, from Veelox, was a scientist that was a prodigy in running and maintaining Life Light, Alder, from Denduron, was an honorable Bedwooan knight, Loor, from Zadaa, was an extremely skilled warrior of her people and was well respected for it, Remudi, from Rayne, was a member of the leading council and his adopted son, Siry who became the Traveler after Remudi bit the big one, was idealistic and wanted the best for the island and his people, Kasha, from Eelong, inherited her respect and place from her father and, so far as I know, has not disgraced herself, and Nevaa, from Quillian, before she went Judas on everybody held the position of personal assistant to the CEO's of Blok.

    You see the pattern here? Each and every Traveler has been the ideal version of a person from that specific world.
     
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  15. Zombie

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    @Quzai: Spare the penguins. Everything is logical in the long run.

    Sure some of the dialogue(sp?) isn't that great, but isn't all of the communication, for the most part, based on what Bobby's wrote in his letters?

    Everything is pretty much from his perspective, and given that while everyone had an ideal life, what does that add to the story?

    Nothing.

    It seems to me that some of the first parts of the book, Bobby introducing himself, and and a few instances in the other books, the author didn't know where to go. I think maybe he's trying to force them to be children, when they're going on atleast 13 and 14 in the first ones, and then aging progressively.

    Sure, the ideal lives start the story, but to me, they don't really add anything to it. Maybe thats why it was so easy for me to faze out the Coolio, and macking, and so on.
     
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  16. QuaziJoe

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    True that's why I made it all the way to the Quillan games. I plan to read the rest, I just have to prepare myself in case bobby decides to describe something as knarly, or the bee's knees!

    Oh God, Even his name is suburban chic.

    Bobby Nooo!
     
  17. Cruentus

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    So far thats not happened.
     
  18. Zombie

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    Thankfully.

    Cause then I'd lose all hope for the books I ever had, and burn everyone I put my hands on...
     
  19. QuaziJoe

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    Hey were a three man thread, and were already on our second page Hi 5 guys. Let's get some milkshakes!
     
  20. Zombie

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    Oh noes! I spot an interloper.

    I still want that milkshake.