DC: It is spell-created shield, and it is good enough to stop powerful magic. My point being that we cannot state that there could be only one charm for general purpose, no matter how versatile it is.
Ariana magic became uncontrollable and dangerous. A mere skill does not revolt and harm you.
Voldemort isn't a true lord, no matter how he styles himself and no matter how many fanwriters toss lordships left an right. He may refer to himself as God, The One and Only, but his birthname is still Tom Marvolo Riddle.

 

But the narration always refer to him as Voldermort, thus that is what we use. We use the same names for people as the narration since that's the most convenient.

 

You may refer to him as Voldemort when it's about his post-Hogwarts years.

You may refer to him as Tom/Riddle when he's still a kid or in Hogwarts.

There, problem solved. Where's my Nobel prize?

 

To be clear, I am not propagating an idea of some exhaustible magical supply, as Taure likely surmised.
Conductor does nothing but waves his stick and hand to lead orchestra, but he becomes tired too. Add intense concentration that many spells require, add whatever metaphysical exercise to bring forth one's magic, add debilitating environment factors, add necessity of movement... Magecraft could be pretty taxing. Battle even more so, even if you substitute all movement with flight or apparition.
Taure's system assumes that magic is a free untaxable action. It isn't, I think, even if there's no perceptible limit on spell-casting.

Odran: I mainly refer to Voldemort as Tom/Riddle to save time in casual chatter and to avoid tautology. And to irritate Taure now, I guess. Take a black pretzel as a consolation prize.

 

Mind boggling... eight years on DLP and it's the first time I've ever added anyone to my ignore list. Not even because they made me angry, just because the alternative was simply too fuckin' tedious. :facepalm

Now, it's the exact opposite, because Taure's posts look like a paranoid schizophrenic (albeit a coherent one) arguing with a random lamp post. Which, even in the Wizarding World, isn't a good thing.
Pure whimsy...

 

Warlocke: I could not resist the temptation, so I had to spend a few moments doing something stupid in MS Paintbrush.

Taure, for what little it worth, I am sorry.

 

Archie... he (Warlocke) has put you on his ignore list. There is no point in responding to him.

And the rest of your post appears to be random trolling.

 

I thought he ignored Taure, because new!guy was awesome and shit.

 

C.J.C: I know. There was one 'paranoid schizophrenic (albeit a coherent one) arguing with a random lamp post' in VtM:B, so I supposed a bit of collaging would be just perfect.

Henry Persico: Taure is awesome - he pulled all that canon shit together and I heard he writes decent stuff, though some of former irks me sometimes. I am just barmy drunk, and my stories were taken down soon after their upload, so I shall write boring stuff no longer.

Aaanyway, back to the theme subject. What plot holes we hadn't solved yet before this little argument?

 

Jesus Christ my eyes. The Enter key exists for a reason, Archie.

 

I do not think I ever missed one. All right, where did I screwed up this time?

Edit:
If you would deign to respond now and in similar occasions please do so through edit of your message or via private message. It seems that these worthless new posts irritate some of our observers.

There. Better?

 

Okay, I may be risking a ban for idiocy here, but here goes:

Archie - everyone except you seems to understand the difference between the shield charm (a sort of magical barrier that has several variations) and a conjured shield made of silver. That is, Voldemort conjured - magically created - a physical object, in this case a shield of some kind (perhaps it was an object resembling a medieval knight's shield, which is probably what most people imagine when they think of a shield) that was made of the substance known as silver.

In this case Taure is right and you're either being stupid on purpose or you actually didn't understand what seems to me like a pretty easy thing to grasp.

Relevant link. Check out the colorful picture in particular. It illustrates this entire friggin post quite well. Not to mention your wrote yourself in the quote above it was a shield created by a spell so what the actual fuck.

I seriously don't know why I got so worked up about this. We all have our peeves, I suppose.

/being an angry nitpicking dick and a week late to the party

 

Both spells are supposed to produce tangible magical shields that are able to withstand harmful magic, and it is the thing that matters in our debate on the fact that there are different shielding charms.

And before you'd like to say something stupid like that Transfiguration and Conjuration spells are not considered as charms, I send you back to the wiki, to the pages of bird-conjuring, water-conjuring and animation charms for an example. Or Fiendfyre, which is a conjuration of the malevolent magical fire construct that is considered a curse due to its dark nature and harmful purpose.

Charms as a subject deals with the spell-casting in general, that's why it called so. Transfiguration is a branch of spellwork that deals strictly with creation an change of the matter, not the object's magical properties.
Distinguishment between this two becomes impossible when we deal with the spells of a mixed nature, like conjuration of the magical objects and enchantment of the formless elements.

There is a widely-propagated stupid idea of charms being spells that only add certain magical properties to an object or creature (which is supposed to be the subject of Enchanting), but it has no quotation within books and contradicts them on several occasions (and the supposed proof-link is broken) and therefore wrong and irrelevant.

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Those were the facts, now it is time for a speculation.

Protego incantation obviously does not means 'to shield'. That would be Contego. With a bit of a recreational wang-movement, Arithmancy and linguistic knowledge it is possible to to turn any precise Latin word or phrase into a spell, if experimentalist does not wanquish himself in the process that is. So I will assume that there were at least several different attempts to create some spells for such important purpose.

There are however obvious reasons why Protego is the most popular defensive spell: it is simple, most likely simplest to learn an easiest to remember; it is reliable and can protect you from many unpleasant dangers; it is most versatile spell, as you can use it in movement, as a wall, and to protect several targets and even entire castles. Voldemort's shield, for example, is sadly lacking on every single of those points though allowing its wielder better protection from a single spell-attack.

Taure is wrong on the subject of the shield charm's singularity.
But his assumption does have some foundation, as Protego IS the most simple, popular and efficient defensive charm.
Just like the wizards assume that nobody could survive Avada Kedavra, fly unsupported, withstand Basilisk's gaze or kill a Dementor, while Tom Riddle clearly was capable of the three of these feats and most likely had at the very least several ideas for the latter 'miracle'.

Of course there are dirty tricks and shortcuts, and most of those wizards are very stale-minded, stupid, lack intent, curiosity and proper guesswork to create something outstanding.

I like to think that the vaunted secret of flight is contained within the enchanted robes, that's why they dramatically flutter in the night sky, and that's why Headmaster Snape could impeccably imitate a flying bat after less than a year of the secret and therefore scarce self-training.
Arabian wizards can enchant the cloth of the carpets to fly swiftly and carry more than the broom after all, and any probable lack of the speed could be compensated with the mid-air Apparition. But that's just moth-eaten excepit from some of my less than stellar theories.

 

Practically everythging here is fanon.

Yes, the line between charms and conjuration can get confusing at times. However, that is probably not due to a plot hole, but from there being magical theory beyond what we are told in the books (which basically says that it exists, and even Hermione is confused by theory in book 6). Note that the Patronus CHARM is a charm which creates/summones/conjures a protector (the spell literally means "I await a protector".)

There is no canon indication of wizards being uncreative. The only canon evidence for their being illogical is the words of a 12 year old. (they may,however, follow different logic to ours)

Riddle did not Survive an AK, he cheated death. Yes it appears as though he could fly unsupported. I don't remember him ever withstanding a basalisk's gaze (unless you think not looking counts as withstanding) and there is no indication of him killing dementors.

I do not recall enchanting ever being in the books. The link works for me. I could argue that charms either temporarily or permanentely imbue an object with an ability. But I won't. Why? Because this is the canon plot holes thread, not 'mindless magical theory' thread. And we have derailed it long enough.

 

First of all there is no need to quote an entire post, especially if it is lengthy one just above.

Everything above the line is based on books, however vague those descriptions of magic were. Yes, everything below the line is an assumption and hypothesis. There is no need to point latter yet again just to feel clever.

There is no plot hole. Nor contradiction. Charms produce an effect of magical nature, of which there are too many to define in one word. A general spellwork and wandwork discipline, if you so please. Transfiguration deals strictly with creation and change of a material objects. It is large, important, useful and unified enough to demand an entirely separate course, just as Geometry branches from the general Maths in the muggle school.

Their entire world is lazy and uncreative. There are but a few dozen of spells and tricks in the Hogwarts mandatory curriculum, each can be learned through practice by most practitioners, half-squibs like Lockhart aside. An adult witch or wizard quite often does not know or can not perform even most useful ones.
They can not even follow simple instructions on the blackboard, blowing and melting the cauldrons with the most simple potions. No wonder Severus Snape is always in a foulest mood, my Chemistry schoolteacher would have gone on a murderous spree after a month of teaching those imbeciles.

He was still in this world(and he got fried up by blood magic, not the AK). Harry took AK too, twice for that matter. I think, and that's an unsupported theory, that Voldemort could take the AK anytime since his body still will be fine and his soul and mind were anchored in the mortal world. Bit dizzy or unconscious he could be for a few moments. Even if he gets thrown out of his body, he could always move right back as long as in is not critically damaged. The whole purpose of the horcruxes is to have a fail-safe on the case of any instant-death shtick, as they do not affect age of a person or their physical prowress.

Open eyes in vicinity of the unblinking gaze-killing monster. Either he is dumb and lucky as Harry, or he does have a way around that. Dementors aren't invincible or all-powerful, and Voldemort of all people certainly researched a way to neutralise this possible threat. But I've already stated that latter is mere example of a guess.

Enchanting is an act of imbuing an item with magic(and that's what the Charms are all and only about according to that misconception). It everywhere in the books. The next statement is a lie. The proof-link of that stupid idea can not possibly work for you as it was directed at the old, no longer existing site. Unlikely such proof ever was, at least not worded in a way it is presented now by idiots that fancy themselves knowledgeable of magic.

Well, If you are inclined to write something for the sake of contradiction, who I am to deny a response? I too would like to stay on the subject, but partially related discussion still better than a dead thread. Mayhap you have something in the plot that we could pick on and sort out?

 

http://web.archive.org/web/20100210...ing.com/textonly/en/extrastuff_view.cfm?id=24

Charms do not change fundamental physical properties.

Creating a physical shield is magic, but the shield itself is not magical. It is physical in nature only.

Canon makes no distinction between Charms and enchantment, and indeed the latter word is rarely used.

 

Taure:
Thanks, that's much better. Still that does not explain where in this system are supposed to go the conjuration spells that are called Charms in the books and taught at the Charms lessons. They are theoretically supposed to be a part of Transfiguration, but...

I think that Voldemort's shield though physical in appearance was at least partially magical too, perhaps even more so than the silver arm that he conjured for Pettigrew. All powerful offensive spells can damage and destroy physical barriers, even the ones that were made of steel or stone, and Dumbledore spell, though we don't know what exactly was supposed to do, was described as the most powerful offensive spell Harry felt flying so far. Voldemort's shield was completely unaffected. And it vanished without a trace once Voldemort moved away, while simple conjuration most likely would've been discarded in the battle as there is neither time for nor benefit from vanishment. Voldemort figured that Dumbledore had not tried his full to dispose of him, but he wouldn't spend his time on the useless actions anyway.

I understand the difference in appearance between transparent force-field of Protego and supposedly solid form of the silver shield, but that does not change their similar purpose and nature. Also, do note that a perfect corporeal form of the Patronus Charm, for example, is described exactly as a solid-looking silver animal. Hmm, cold that shield be a perfect version of a modification of the Protego Charm? Unlikely, as it was good enough to stop already powerful spell that was cast by the most powerful wizard in the world with the aid and full loyalty of the Elder Wand, but still is possible.

'Enchanted' term used in the books as an adjective to describe objects that were deliberately enhanced with magic.

 

There is nothing to support to your theory. We know of no one in canon actually being immune to the AK. Voldemort survived because of his horcruxes which negated the killing effect, but the curse still affected him to the point of tearing him from his body.

Harry wasn't hit by the AK twice. Whatever magic Lily performed, intentionally or not, we're told time and time again that the curse rebounded and hit Voldemort, ergo it did not hit Harry. He's the Boy Who Lived because he survived Voldemort attempting to murder him in what seemed like a winning scenario, not because he was hit by the AK and didn't die. The second time the curse affected the horcrux in Harry, not Harry himself. Something still died because of the spell - a part of Voldemort's soul. Harry - as in his soul - essentially wasn't hit by the curse that time either. If you accept that AK affects the soul, and DH gives us solid evidence of that in the forest, then Harry isn't a survivor of the Killing Curse at all.

Of course he has a way around that. He commands the friggin snake to do whatever he wants, but nothing whatesoever in books or even the movies even hints that Voldemort is in fact immune to the killing gaze. Notice how in the film Riddle never actually looks at the basilisk's eyes, he just tells it what to do and then Fawkes comes and gauges its eyes out anyway.

For all we know, it's the same as with the AK - if Voldemort ever looked into the basilisk's eyes, he would probably die. Then again, he has the horcruxes and basilisk's gaze seems to work in a different way.

Where the AK appears to do shit to your soul, the basilik seems to kill by attacking your body instead. Every living person in CoS got partially turned into stone. We can speculate that if they got the full blast of the gaze, they would become stone, which would lead to death in the sense that the world presents death to us. Nick is an obvious exception, but we have very little information in canon in regard to magic that can affect ghosts.

Nothing in canon indicates that dementors can be killed. More appear when morale is low, but we're never actually told if they disappear if the moods rise.

Killing dementors is a cool concept, but it's fanon.

 

First advise: read or reread the damned books, they were better than films.
Second advise: do not use the films as a credible source. They were worse than the quarter of the fanfics out there. And next thing you will start to believe that dementors can fly, everyone can deliberately turn into a flying smoke, must wear shitty suits and ties, and that AK can vaporise its victims. Or something equally stupid. They're definetely entertaining, but much less than accurate.

The Curse has made a direct contact with Harry's body twice, but he is still alive. Therefore are means to survive the Killing Curse. Voldemort can not be removed from the living world as long as his horcruxes remain, and he can use his body as long as it isn't too damaged. Even if he could be ejected, he will repossess his body unless his foes will immediately incinerate it with, say, Fiendfyre. Unconsciousness is more dangerous there.
The lack of supporting evidence in my theory goes to the idea of Tom Riddle temporary resistance to the Killing Curse. He doubtlessly can survive it just fine as long as he has at least one horcrux.

Tom observed the fight and was entirely too comfortable to not be protected from its eyes. Have you ever seen a living vision-reliant snake? The only way not to see it's eyes is not to look in a general direction of its head. But you still have to see the basilisk eyes to get killed, and there likely are easier ways to avoid that, a simple but uncanny trick or cantrip.

Nothing in canon indicates that dementors are sturdier than diamonds and/or intangible, and even ghosts and wraiths can be destroyed with appropriate effort.

You can either assume that Tom was somewhat competent and researched anything of importance to him, or that he was incompetent raging retard that stumbled upon a horcrux ritual. First is a bit closer, I think, though truth remains somewhere in-between.

 

The only defence against Dementors is the Patronus Charm. This is directly stated.