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So...what was the "Power He Knows Not"?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Skeletaure, Mar 4, 2008.

  1. mjc

    mjc Seventh Year

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    So, McG got it right?

    "Five points, for sheer dumb luck." (movie quote)

    I tend to agree...that Harry's 'special' power is nothing but an inordinate amount of luck. JKR wanted Harry to be 'normal' and a reluctant hero...but sheesh, being normal doesn't equate to being an idiot. She backed herself into a corner with the whole 'normal' bit. She started out with making him have the furthest thing from a normal childhood as possible, then had the gall to make him the object of a prophecy, while having some hell-bent for revenge idiot of a Dark Lord come after him in one form or another for six out of seven years of school...if that is normal, then I'm the Emperor of America! After all of that, she should have at least let him start to grow a pair...but no, Hermione Poppins (practically perfect in every way, including a stylish, new, never full, holds everything, including the kitchen sink, hand bag, instead of a dusty old carpet bag) did all the hard work.

    And for some one who supposedly did a whole lot of 'research' on myth or legend, she never once encountered any references to a simple thing called exorcism? The Jewish mystical/magical traditions are rife with them...especially the kind for getting rid of the souls of dead wankers that just happen to move into someone else's body. One simple little ritual and Harry is no longer Exhibit G in the "How to become a Lich, in 8 Easy Steps" parade.
     
  2. Dark Lady Pryor

    Dark Lady Pryor Fourth Year

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    Erm, as a 16 female from England, I'll have to disagree and say that most male teenagers over here that are 'normal' do usually equate to being idiotic. *shrugs* go figure.

    Ah, but if JK did that, how would she convince the little kiddies that read the books that dying for a good cause is the 'right' thing to do? And how else would fangirls get to swoon over the 'courage' that Harry supposedly has?

    Basically put; JK is a dumb whore who fucked up the entire series, and decided to get people to stop asking questions by declaring that Dumbledore was gay to get their minds off of the huge plotholes she left.
     
  3. Aerin

    Aerin Seventh Year

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    I find it funny.

    If Harry wanted to be normal, he'd use his fame to sleep with every hot chick in England.

    Which is a pitifully small number. (joking!)

    So really...:D

    Power in DoM: Improperly-sealed nuclear weapon discovered during Grindelwald reign and held there to try and discover possible counter-measures.

    Power Voldemort knows Not: Relative intelligence.

    What moron hides pieces of your soul in places you have been? You hide them at the bottom of the ocean with anti-summoning charms, anti-apparation and anti-portkey jinxes. And you also make sure to crush the Ministry within the first 24 hours of being reborn with muggle biological weapons and then raising everyone there as Inferi. DUH!

    So what does Harry do? He relies on Hermione to do his work and does stupid crap and in a fit of idiotic brilliance, he disarms Draco and voila!

    *Eyeroll*
     
  4. ForsakenOne

    ForsakenOne Groundskeeper

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    I agree, but lets all face it, J.K wrote the books to satisfy the general fan-girl with feeble minds, that only see it as good or bad. The concepts of common sense does not apply. Also, the book would go from a epic length novel to about....a paragraph.
     
  5. Averis

    Averis Don of Delivery ~ Prestige ~

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    That has potential to be a truly great humor fic.

    That is all.
     
  6. Perspicacity

    Perspicacity Destroyer of Worlds ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    Sounds a lot like Rorschach's Blot's Make a Wish.
     
  7. Averis

    Averis Don of Delivery ~ Prestige ~

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  8. Demons In The Night

    Demons In The Night Chief Warlock

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    Simply beautiful.

    Now that I think about it, Make a Wish uses this, so I can't really claim credit for this idea. It's great fun though.
     
  9. Orm Embar

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    Though Harry was, at many points in the series, abnormally lucky, I'm going to have to say the PHKN was resolve. Voldemort was terrified of death, as is shown in numerous instances: "Death Eaters", "The last enemy last shall be conquered is death.", and his horcruxes. Harry was willing to everything he had to the fight, and thus, through a combination of sheer luck and prophecy, won.
     
  10. Reyhkt

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    No Harry only won, because when JK wrote down what really happened that day (Harry lost against Voldemort in a 0.2 second duel) she started to cry a river. Thus, she wrote her alternate ending to make her happy and warm inside.

    Also, the prophecy doesn't mean anything. Merely that if Harry doesn't start training, he's going to get his ass kicked in record time. If he does train, he might last for a couple of seconds.....

    Face it, JK screwed up the Harry Potter universe. She made Harry win just to appease her readers. In reality, Harry should have died in the first book. You know, the scene where Quirrell takes out his wand and yells "Avada Kedavra," instead of idiotically deciding to physically grab Harry. Oh wait, that's just Fanon.:(

    Voldemort is terrified of death. But that should have pushed him to the edge, making him even harder to kill, as he is fighting for his life since he lost his Horcruxes. He could have at least put a charm on the pieces of his soul, that reveals when they are in enemy hands...

    The concept of her world is great, but the execution makes me vomit. Why you say? Because this story is meant for 10 year olds only, at least that's what it looks like. There are so many plot holes in the series, that make me want to bash my head in the wall repeatedly. Or only one, if you're counting all the books as a major plot hole.
     
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  11. carvell

    carvell Professor DLP Supporter

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    Simple the power was JKR bad writing and that saved poor Harry:)
     
  12. Grubdubdub

    Grubdubdub Supreme Mugwump

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    I always assumed that because of the power of love he had the other 'powers'.
     
  13. Aerin

    Aerin Seventh Year

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    The PHKN was stupidity.

    Voldemort was smart, thus didn't know what stupidity is.

    Hence...PHKN.
     
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  14. mathiasgranger

    mathiasgranger Slug Club Member

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    Well if I wanted to hazard a guess, I would say the PHKN is something along the lines of having a huge...marty complex. One so huge that he kills himself just to save the fucking losers of the wizarding world.

    The prophecy was a massive waste of a book in OOTP, and it was then that Rowling went from a competent author of children's literature into a plot hole creating monster that happens to write stories.

    Her concept through four books was solid enough, even if there were plot holes. It was when she began to believe the hype about her that she actually tried to write, instead of just doing it, that her plot holes became inexcusable.

    By the end of DH I couldn't stop asking myself what the point of it all was? There wasn't one particular moral of the story I could gather, aside from perhaps, let yourself get killed for the good of others who generally are wastes of carbon.

    Hell if I want to watch someone sacrifice themselves for others I'll read the bible. Its not like the idea hasn't been recycled and perpetuated for well over a millenia after all, is it?

    ~Matt
     
  15. Reyhkt

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    Well we all know J.K Rowling created massive plot holes. The reason being that she just isn't suited for these type of stories. She wanted to create a children's story. Many publishers turned her down for the reason that there wasn't that big of a difference from her story and many others. Eventually she managed to publish the book.

    It was a hit by sheer luck. Children wanted to read the book because it allowed them to explore the realms of magic. The Harry Potter books aren't really different from any other fantasy book. Really the only reason it became a hit was luck.

    When other children saw their friends reading the book they wanted to read it too. Older people too got interested in her books. Later in the series J.K realized that adults were reading her books too, and the children who read the first book back in the day were much older than before. She then added details and created a more extensive plot.

    J.K however wasn't a talented author at all. She screwed up big time, and the people loved her for it. They couldn't care less that the books sucked, because it was a hit at the time and everybody was reading it.

    Thus, they all grew the mentality that the books had to be of epic quality. After all, no crap novel would have been of such success right? I also very much doubt that J.K came up with all the ideas of the plot herself (EX: Horcruxes, the prophecy).

    She definitely had people to help her. In the end she just wanted to write a children's book of magic. It got out of hand, and now everyone wanted to read it. It no longer became a children's book at this point. Rather a plot-hole infested series of novels.

    Harry Potter Fanfiction of course started off of her success. More talented authors wrote stories off of the HP universe too. By now, we have many good stories that take a different approach to Canon. Stories that actually make sense where J.K screwed up.

    These stories only gave a boost to J.K's popularity, and she became a stuck up bitch. Where her suicidal tendencies make front page material on the news. People may argue that J.K must be a talented writer, for coming up with the idea of the HP universe in the first place.

    However she really only came up with the idea of a normal abused little boy getting to attend a school of magic. Every little children's dream. She realized she needed a plot, so she added a dark wizard in the book. How could she make the dark wizard come after poor little Harry? Oh I know, let's make Harry become the reason for his demise (no worries I'll think a reason of how he did it later).

    Her explanation of Love being the magic that stopped Voldemort, was clearly a way to appease the children who read the book. This is just a cliche good vs. evil story. Where good always wins. Gryffindors are good, Slytherins are bad. Again, all of this is simply material for children.

    She realized that children weren't the only people who read her book, so she came up with the idea of a prophecy (most likely she wasn't the one who did). She has very little detail in her novels too. Her characterizations are hollow, with most of her characters being either good or evil.

    Though she really screwed it up with Lucius Malfoy. The man probably killed lots of innocents. He is one of Voldemort's most important financial assets, and is responsible for the deaths of many people. Yet in the 7th book he reunites with his family in the great hall, and becomes a good guy.

    Nobody cares that he murdered innocents, he is clearly good because he was searching for his son. I really half expected Lucius to take out his wand and AK Harry on the spot, while the morons had their backed turned.

    I do not jest when I state that many of the stories here at DLP are much better that Rowlings. Really this is truly the most overrated book in the history of humanity.


    Shit that's alot of words...
     
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  16. Erisah

    Erisah First Year

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    I'm thinking that there was no "power he knows not", and that the phrase was supposed to be a mere filler, whilst JK tried desperately to scrape up enough material for a few more books, mostly in the "I'll make it up as I go along" method.

    Well from a fanfictioners' POV, the plot holes are fabulous, as there are so many ways you can manipulate the storyline to improve on it epically.

    Otherwise, I'm thinking Hermione Granger and Neville Longbottom, seeing as neither of them became whiny emo martyrs, and instead actually pulled Harry over the line.
     
  17. Muttering Condolences

    Muttering Condolences Card Captored and buttsecksed

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    Don't forget that Lucius was Voldemort's DE in charge of Muggle Torture (Graveyard Scene, GOF), so you know he's done some really fucked up shit.
     
  18. Banner

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    Apparently, JKR really believes that an apology is all that's necessary to ensure forgiveness for multiple torture slayings, not to mention obstruction of justice, treason, bribery of gov't officials, kidnapping, use of Black magic on a minor...
     
  19. Koalas

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    She also believes rape babies are destined to grow up to be Lord Voldemort, but what are you going to do?
     
  20. Augurey

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    This, for starters.

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