Am I the only one who saw Snoke and thought Voldemort 2.0?

I liked the death of Han Solo, but I thought it was kind of dumb that although Kylo Ren had been trained in the force he was at the the same level or below a girl who had never used the force until that fight.

All in all I'd go back to see the movie again just because it's Star Wars.

 

Her past is too muddled and weird to say definitively whether she's had experience or not.

We'll have to see.

 

The movie looked like an uninspired copy of SW4 with a script written by committee feeling. I also has some "small" and rushed impression. Kylo Ren and Finn are weak characters but I'm not sure who to blame. Script/Director or Actors. Captain Kirk or Scottie got a more meaningful sendoff than Han Solo here.

Daisy Ridley is a good copy of Natalie Portman which isn't bad itself but is that enough to carry the future of this franchise?

 

Saw it, and while it wasn't the best star wars movie ever, it exceeded my expectations. Very happy with it. I'll edit in my thoughts after I have a bit of time to digest my feelings on it. Only negative that really pops out at me immediately was the music. Was very underwhelming, with the exception of Reys theme, and the main theme for the Resistence.

 

I think the worst thing I could say about the score was that I can't even remember it.

Not good, especially for SW.

 

Yep. Very disappointed in that aspect. Surprising, too. John Williams normally knocks it out of the park.

 

He said Ren and Han.

 

Well the Star Wars sections are already filling up with Kylo Ren/Rey and Poe/Finn so that's one knock against it. Is it bad that when Ren took off his helmet my first thought was 'God, not another Snape?'

 

At least Snape was consistently a cunt. Ren is more like fanon Malfoy.

 

It was good. Not the best film of the year, but good.

Biggest gripe was how unskilled Kylo was, but peoples comments have covered a lot of theories about that that make sense. Same with Rey, I see some people saying her parents could be important, but personally Id prefer it if she was just a random girl.

Edit: Am I right in that Ren was starting to go darkside/show signs of it as a kid, Leia sent him away, both the kid and Han resented her, and Luke wasnt able to help him, and he went and destroyed the other force sensitives?

 

Ben/Ren probably not the best choice in retrospect. I know they threw out EU stuff, but they shoulda just stuck with Jacen.

Probably worth for the nostalgia boners alone.

 

Saw the movie on Sunday. Just a few thoughts, not even including Kylo Ren:

1. Starkiller Base. Sigh. Death Star II v2.0 Second Edition Deus Ex Machina Incarnate. I honestly wouldn't have minded this if, if, it had been played properly and built up to throughout the trilogy. But no, it has to be destroyed, again due to some glaring flaw, not even explained away as under construction. Also, physics take a major backseat here. An "ultralight" weapon that can be seen before it impacts? How does it split like multiple projectiles like that, if it's an energy weapon shot from another solar system? How does something planet sized absorb a sun like that? WHY DOES IT TURN INTO A SUN AFTER IT EXPLODES?

Sigh.

2. How does the balance of power even work in the galaxy at the moment? The Republic is mentioned briefly, as far I can remember, but all we see is them instantly getting obliterated by Starkiller Base? Are the "Rebels" we see actually the Republic? Why does their entire fleet consist of seven X-Wings? How the hell did the First Order build a planet in the quarter of a century or whatever between the movies?

3. Speaking of the First Order, why is Phasma such a pushover? Wouldn't she rather eat the blaster to the face than willingly disable the shields and allow Starkiller Base to be sabotaged? Why does Finn go from a sanitation worker on Starkiller to apparently running combat missions on random planets and having a breakdown? If he was showing earlier signs of relapse from the mental conditioning, why would he even be sent into that situation in the first place? Really hope Phasma is revisited, but they really missed a chance here.

Overall, a bit of a disappointment for me. They should have spent more time building up their trilogy and gearing up for a trilogy, rather than fan servicing and muddling through a ton of (apparently) important plot lines.

 

The novelization is a bust? That sucks. I agree on most of the points made. The romance thing came on a bit too fast, but it's entirely possible that Finn fell victim to white fever. It happens to the best of us. You know they got that sweet white nectar.

 

Easy there, white chocolate. Don't want you to melt.

 

I truly don't get your low impression about Abrams at all. But though I've followed Star Trek all my life(Who hasn't?) I'm surely not a fanboy. If you're an avid SF reader you know that ST was pretty much low common denominator.

Have you actually watched an old Star Trek movie "lately"? Most feel like long TV movies at best and the few which feel like real movies aged horrible. Even my favorite ST6 only looks....old now. The new STs won't age that badly. They feel like real movies and Abrams pulled some punches straight through the Utopia snooze fest a lot ST products were.

With that said I don't think the problem of the new SW is Abrams at all. I blame Disney. This product was surely heavily micromanaged from bureaucratic execs.

 

I haven't read all the posts in the thread in detail, so I don't know if this particular plothole has been addressed yet..

But how does the Starkiller Base fire more than once?

Since it apparently consumes a star to fire. Are the multiple stars close enough to the planet it's built into? Does the planet/weapon have a propulsion system to move to stars?