I've tried this several times now and I'm still not seeing anything.

 

Taure: It changes color SLIGHTLY. It took me a while to see it myself.

 

Are you looking at the one in the ava? Don't blink and just watch - you'll see it.

I liked this chapter. Was good to see Amanda's part because it reminded of exactly what she had done in the D.o.M. Hermione is still as annoying as ever. Ron for some reason is likable in this series. I think it was important as a segue and I always have enjoyed the Harry/Amanda dynamic.

Very interesting take on Hoghwarts is alive concept.

Also you stole another Nymphadora thing I wonder if you noticed which one.

 

Lol, I was looking at the sig.

 

New chapter is win.

Few comments, overall, I found the whole explanation of the words of the worlds a bit tedious, a bit too wordy. Got kinda bored half way through reading the explanation, but that could be just me.

Secondly, how super powered are you going to make Harry? We all expect him to become probably the most powerful wizard in the world, but hopefully he doesn't get their too easily.

 

Oh Fuck Yeah. I came. That is by far the best 'power the Dark Lord knows not' ever... Well, Nymphie Staffcharmer comes close, but that's just funny.

@Ellisande - Dumbledore has used these Words and you've seen that they can't trump Voldemort by themselves. Harry is likely to become the strongest Wizard in the world, but that's because of a combination of things, not just some really old magic.

Excellent chapter Shezza. Now I'm all giddy waiting for the next one .

5/5

 

I think you meant to add, "that is capable of wielding fiendfyre," or something to that effect.

I like this chapter. Much better power then love or humanity, indeed.

 

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Dumbledore pressed his fingertips together and did a very good job of not showing how amused he was. If it wasn’t for the cocaine addiction that made his eyes do that twinkling thing, Harry wouldn’t have been able to tell.

Pure fucking win!

I didn't like this Hawking bit, characters can be disrespectful, narrator cannot.

Words idea was very well thought, but it just asks for another trilogy where Harry could use them more.

Overall, great update, I already can't wait for next.

 

About time I posted here...

This here is where I worship this story to high heavens, how awesome and epic and hype book - worthy it is.

I wanted to add my own shipping comment: such wouldn't fit the story very much, seeing that Meciel doesn't have a physical body in this dimension, but a one-nighter would be nice... just to make Harry get some >_> Meciel would probably be against it, but ah well. Oh, and been an avid Harry/Meciel 'shipper' since... chapter 1 of book 1? ^^' I find the entire concept so damn facinating.

Oh, and GREAT that there won't be any redemption crap.

I also hope that Harry will NEVER EVER lose the coin. Screw character building or whatever... Harry must have Meciel =D Unless it's very brief and makes them realize how much they love each others which leads to hot sex... uh, no. Damn.

So, please keep updating at such an awesome pace =D

 

The problem with that is that Harry learnt Fiendfyre from a book that Dumbledore himself wrote. Dumbledore should be more than capable of handling it.

 

Then "that can wield fiendfyre so well," or something. I'm not commenting on the content, I'm commenting on the fact that the sentence itself is incomplete.

 

The dialog between Harry and Dumbledore was once more topnotch. Lots of amusing little jewels there from the whole cocaine addiction thing to the "moldie shorts" making Harry look like a moron.

How does the whole soul thing work with Meciel anyway? I mean obviously Harry has not permanently sold his soul since he could (in theory anyway) give up the coin and stop being a denarian. Also it seems that Meciel cannot keep Harry's soul once he dies since if she did that would essentially be the same thing as Horcrux(Since the coin is on Earth). Not to mention all the references you have made about Harry's soul going to hell. For that matter are you following the Harry-the-Horcrux thing? It seems that Meciel would be able to detect Voldemorts soul fragment and eat it

The whole word-magic thing was pretty cool. It was a very nice and original explanation for how wand-magic works. I do wonder though? You say that in your world, spells cast with words(&meanings) from languages that have been around for longer than humans produce stronger effects, such as the language of angels. Why does Harry not use angelic words for everything from now on then?

I mean correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Meciel actually IS an angel(albeit fallen one). Would she not know the entire angelic language/script completely and far better than even Dumbledore(since it is her language). If spells cast at that language are stronger then why does Meciel not teach the whole language to Harry?

 

He is capable in means of power or magical prowess, but dark arts seem to require certain malice for casting which Dumbledore does not possess/chose not to use.

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“A cold blooded murder? That’s it? That’s a great evil?” Harry asked and scoffed. “Please. I’ve seen a lot of things that are worse than just a simple murder.”

“Do not say such things,” Dumbledore snapped, snapped, at Harry.

This is unbelievable. Dumbledore himself says so in canon, and half of fics on the net.

 

I think Dumbledore likes people to think that he wouldn't use it, but I think he would, if the situation called for it.

Also, as an aside, did anyone get the feeling from Dumbledore's hate of horcruxes in this chapter that maybe he made one in the past? Or maybe he started down that road. Or maybe he aided Grindelwald in it. He has some sort of history when it comes to horcruxes, I'm sure.

 

Yeah I was thinking that myself when I read the chapter.

Also, I'm not sure about the thing about fiendfyre and thus Harry is the best person to destroy the horcruxes. Harry only knows it because of the book Dumbledore wrote which makes it awfully hard to say the Dumbledore himself does not know it.
I was also curious as to how Dumbledore learned these forgotten languages. How did he talk to angels, demons, drakons, the fae etc. and learn there own language/spells?

About the language aspect, like was mentioned above, if the angelic language is so powerful, then Harry (through Mecial) should be able to get it very quickly since she already knows it. There is no point in Dumbledore teaching that language, when you have a native speaker right there who would know it far better than Dumbledore would.

Anyway, good chapter though and I'm looking forward to seeing the results of Harry using the drakon/angel/demon tongue soon

 

Dumbledore says that there are things worse than death. He never says that there are things worse than murder. I rather think that was Dumbledore's point - when he says there are things worse than death, he is saying that it is better to die than to be an evil person.

I suppose it's like any other language. Even if you know Latin, you don't necessarily know the incantations based on that language. So Harry will perhaps be able to pick up the Angelic ones quickly, because of Meciel, but he doesn't already know them.

Also, Meciel =/= Harry. As we have seen, she can't just transfer knowledge to him. She has to teach him (though you'd think that with her control over his brain she could create false memories of him having learnt stuff, but I guess that's too much of a cop-out).

Finally, Harry still has to learn how to speak the words with his human mouth.

 

About language: a point was made that source of magic had to be the same as wand-wizard source. Angels, demons, etc. of this world use alternative sources, which are unreachable for Harry.

Oh, I misunderstood that one, I looked from the point of view of the victim. There "just murder" is preferred choice.

 

How old was he when he wrote that book with Grindelwald and what view did he have back then? And what if it is an entry from Grindelwald?
And to be able to describe something and to be able to use it are two different things. It is probably a mix between emotions (dark ones, hatred, rage, maybe fear etc.), intention (to destroy, to hurt etc.), power (to get it started), strong will (to hold control) and maybe some kind of affinity.

What I find more interesting are the possible implications of AManda using fiendfyre. Of course, she couldn't control it and she didn't want to use it again, but depending on how you explain Shezza's fiendfyre (I'm going with Shezza's idea, because Fiendfyre can't be that great if an idiot like Goyle (or was it Crabbe) can pull it of and all books after book five can hardly be described as really useful, maybe for backround, but even this is far and in between (we know this all already).

About the angel language and Merciel knowing it and not helping Harry before...
I think she just learned it herself that language has this kind of effect here and Harry is the first wand wizard host she has, so there is much new territory for her to learn about.

Great chapter^^

 

Maybe its not a question of capability but rather willingness? Maybe Dumbledore simply refuses to use the kinds of magic he once used for some yet to be revealed reason? Heck, maybe inability to use "dark magic" is one of the prices he paid for Fawkes assistance.

That would actually be a rather cool twist. Though I expect Dumbledore being as he is would have destroyed his own Horcrux long ago. It would explain Dumbledores tolerance of Harry going around killing people though, if he himself did the same thing in his youth.

But Harry does not even know latin (I think?) so obviously full knowledge of the language and grammar is not required. Just the specific words. Ofcourse it is possible that spells that were designed to be used with latin incantations wont work if you just change the words to angelic, and its actually necessary to create an entirely new spell to take advantage of this. Ofcourse Meciel now knows how to construct wand-spells so it should not be too difficult for her to create entirely new angelic-worded spells for Harry to use.

Either way, the fact that she intimately knows the angelic language which is supposed to be so powerfull when used in wand-magic should come up in this whole thing one way or the other. Hopefully Shezza has thought of all of this and has something cool planned.

True, but I would expect having someone actually teach it to you by thought would be far faster than normal language education. Meciel could actually instantly tell when Harry has understood or memorized something and so would be able to essentially optimize the education to fit Harry in the best possible way.

We can see that in Harrys magic-use, Harry has learned spells far faster than others of his age-group, most of it under Meciel's tutelage. Would expect the same thing to apply to learning a language. Not instant but still far faster than normal. Especially since Harry would be very motivated with the knowledge that learning the language would allow him to "blow-lots-of-shit-up".

Well, Meciel could take over temporarily and speak the words giving Harry an example of how its done. That would speed things up too.