Like I said before witches and wizards in my story start out with around the same power level more or less. I see wizards earning there power not just having it handed to them by some lucky draw. The truly powerful had to sacrifice to get there power.

I don't see why Ron should be any weaker than Harry if they both work hard. If Ron works just as hard as Harry then he deserves the same power Harry receives. Harry is not so super that he gets a plus ten multiplier on his powers. As for Ron beating Harry with less practice I did say that Harry was trying to give him a boost of confidence. Harry still hasn’t completely felt out the new Ron. He doesn’t know Ron’s quitting point so he is trying to keep Ron from losing heart in his training.

As for Harry being equal with Voldermort I have seen no evidence to suggest this. Harry will have to train long and hard to be on Voldermort’s level. Eventually Harry will become powerful through many sacrifices and a couple of lucky breaks.

 

^So, you're saying that people are all born with the same amount of power, and all they have to do is work to become more powerful? Besides the fact that that theory creates thousands of wizards and witches on the same superman level, it makes the entire world boring and stupid. You might as well throw out the whole prophecy and let some old auror beat Voldemort, because they have had much more training then Harry. You'd need to have Harry train for the same amount of time Voldemort did in order to beat him then. It's a complete waste of time.

 

I dont think your getting the implications. Its not like Random Witch A or Some Wizard B just work out their magic for a while and suddenly find themselves as powerful as Dumbledore or Voldemort. Both of those wizads probably spent years/decades doing nothing more than working their magic till the point that it probably could not grow any more.

It makes the world more interesting this way. I personally hate stories where the charecters suddenly find themselves with power equal to Voldemort/Dumbledore with nothing sacrificed.

The fact that every wizard has the POTENTIAL to reach that level of power is fine, howver the journey to reaching it is so difficult that Voldemort and Dumbledore are more or less at hte top of the peak makes it quite interesting in how Harry is going to catch up.

 

While I agree that it is better for a wizard to have too sacrifice a lot to be able to use their full potential so do I think that some should have the potential to be more powerful then others.

Everyone could start at the same power level and then how powerful you become is determined by how much you train. For example a wizard that is lazy might not become all that powerful despite having the potential to be one of the most powerful wizards in the world and another wizard that works hard might reach his full potential soon but he can not become more powerful then his full potential.

 

the way Apophis said it i think it would be good, in short everyone can get powerful but the most don't realize that and are frustrated because they don't get a spell at the first try.
But if this people would train the whole day, they could become one of the top aurors, sure some persons(dumbi, voldi) are more powerful like here some person are better in sport.
Like in Naruto Prodidgys, nearly everyone can get so far but for the most its to hard.

 

Excatly, thats what I think. Remember that magical talent might be leaning towards one of the disiplens, like Dumbledore is Transiguration Master while Fitwik is a Charms Master, and while Dumbledore migtht be skilled in lots of magical disiplens it probably means that Fitwiks streanghs apply primarly to charms.

If this is the case it might not be just a choice, but also to do with how one is predetermined through their power. For example Ron could have a lot of talent for Transfiguration but if he kept trying for charms he might sort of stunt his growth by not playing to his streghs.

 

I agree with that.

 

Uhh...have you ever read Order of the Phoenix? Do you recall a certain prophecy? Do you get my point now?

Anyways, I'm surprised that no one has said this yet, but I am elated that somebody finally put the werewolf in his place! FINALLY! Thank you! *bows at Eliyah's feet*

Also, Harry has been working decently hard since PoA, while Ron has sat on his ass and done nothing above the bare minimum. I would say that makes Harry a bit more powerful, if I use your theory, because he has been training at least a little bit for 4 years, and Ron has only been training for around a month.

 

Quite frankly, basing the power level of a wizard on how hard they train is directly contradicting the books. Take, for example, the case of one Neville Longbottom. Neville works his ASS off. By the logic that effort=power, Neville should be able to do everything Harry can, and more. But he can't.

Also by that logic, squibs are just the laziest fuckers around. The fact that Filch, for example, has tried everything up to and including that silly "Qwik-Spell" course, should indicate again that effort does not equal magical prowess, and that there are inherent differences in maximum magical strength. Squibs have just enough magic to be able to see things that muggles can't, and cannot build up any more power than that.

And again, if effort=power, then Mad-Eye Moody should be the strongest fucker of all time. He should be able to one-shot the entirety of BRITAIN, simultaneously, given how much effort he puts into being a badass.

Your idea of magical power maximums being equal for all witches and wizards is inherently flawed, based on the information given to us by the books.

In conclusion...

Common sense and the ability to read the books critically: 1

A stupid idea that makes Ron the Retard just as powerful as Harry: 0

 

I fully agree with you Critic, well thought out and it is all true.

I hope that you abandon your idea that just work will get you power.

I agree that they all start out the same, but have a set limit on their power. Thus if you work, you will reach your max power, but that does not mean you will be equal to Dumbledore, just that you have reached your max. People are not created equal

 

Personally I agree that 'just working' will not get you power equal to dumbledore. However I do believe that working out will get you to your maximum potential, while most wizards sit around and reach nowhere near their level of power.

People like Dumbledore and Voldemorts should be exceptions not because of their power, but for their potential. It would be nice to see that Harry has equal potenial to Voldemort and not inherint power.

Squibs could be people who are to magicallly weak to go to hogwarts. And without going to hogwarts how are they going to constantly work their magic to get it stronger? I dont soposse that every squib is told to find their magic and working at it that way?

 

I agree with that, but I think you can increase your maximal power with various rituals. So you can sacrifice your soul or sth. and so increase your power. You can't gain power from nothing, you just trade.

Anyway. I think your new chapter is OK, but since I don't like Ron, the scene which nearly equals Ron to Harry is a downside for me.

 

TheIllusiveOne - Yes, working on your power makes it stronger. However that is the snag the witch or wizard has to work. To them magic is not something fascinating or unexplored they see it every day. Not every one feels the need to become hugely powerful. The work to get that strong would not be worth it to an average Joe.

Fuegodefuerza - Yes I have read OOTP. Harry has the potential to be Voldermort's equal and he will need to do everything he can to reach his max. It is my theory that you can only reach a certain level of power for your year in Hogwarts. In my story Ron and Harry are equals as of right now because they have reached the maximum power level allowed for incoming sixth years. Throughout the story they will try to find a way around that so they can harness there true potential. For the record Harry reached the max for his year way before Ron.

Masked Critic - As for Neville he was un-confident in himself. I don't know if you know anyone who has no confidence but, they suck at just about everything no matter what they do. Neville thought he was barely a wizard so his spells came out just barely.

I see being a squib as a severe learning disorder. Since they can not learn they can not achieve power.

As for Mad-eye he has quite a bit of power himself. The thing is though his opponents also have power and if he tried to "one-shot the entirety of BRITAIN, simultaneously" then someone else who also works hard would stop him.

I never said witches and wizards have equal maximums I said that they are given about the same power and it is up to them how powerful they become. It is my belief that Dumbledore and Voldermort could grow in power but, the risks for such things would outweigh the benefits so they don't.

In my story there are maximums and it varies person to person. The deciding factor however is not birth or blood it is how much the wizard is willing to sacrifice. Yes, in a way there is a maximum because, I don't see an average-Joe giving up something significant for more power. He has reached his maximum power because he is not willing to go any further.

 

Well I see a problem if you have a set maximum for your year.
Who exactly decided what the max would be be and having a set max for each year seems like a dumb idea to me. I have reasons but I got to go now, if I have time later I'll post them

 

=P I just thought it was awesome. Period. No doubt about it.

 

I just re-posted the first two chapters since my beta finally got them back to me. I think it made the chapters much cleaner let me know what you think.

 

i'm not gonna re-read but when can we expect something new?

 

I just re-read it, and I didn't really notice all that much of a change. I thought that the original start was fine, and I'm looking for a NEW chapter instead of old ones that I already read and enjoyed. So, get your ass in gear and write!

 

Chapter 3 will be written in the next two days. I had to leave on an expedition someone got a broken leg in the middle of a trail so a couple of us hiked out and brought him back. Dirty mountains don't allow helicopters. So I am back now and can work. For the record it was a blast.

 

Cool. I can't wait for the next part.

I had a bunch of friends who went on a Boy Scouts hike in Filmont, New Mexico, and pretty much the same thing happened...weird. 0_o