You mean besides the fact that then Voldemort would have come down ontop of him like a ton of bricks?

Perhaps it was that Harry has never cast, or been shown to have the capacity of hatred to cast, the Avada Kedavra spell?

Then again, maybe it was that there was no way of knowing what the spell protecting Nagini was or how having an AK thrown at it would would effect it.

 

I don't think that an AK would have destroyed Nagini-the-Horcrux. Remember, there are very specific thing that destroy these- fangs, the sword, cursed fire (wasn't used because it was much too dangerous). If AK destroyed horcruxes, then I doubt Harry would have hesitated to use it as soon as he found out. He uses unforgivables rather freely in the 7th book, after all.

I don't think it had anything to do with splitting his soul. While AK does require an evil intent, I doubt that preforming it on anything other then a human being would damage the soul. Otherwise, Dumbledore wouldn't have let the fake Moody demonstrate it. He did, after all, believe him to be the genuine Moody.

 

The entire soul-damage issue is a bit vauge at best. Slughorn, in the memory of his meeting with Riddle, said...

"Well," said Slughorn uncomfortably, "you must understand that the soul is supposed to remain intact and whole. Splitting it is an act of violation, it is against nature."

"But how do you do it?"

"By an act of evil - the supreme act of evil. By committing murder. Killing rips the soul apart. The wizard intent upon creating a Horcrux would use the damage to his advantage: He would encase the torn portion-"​

-Half-Blood Prince, US Hardback edition, page 497 & 498

This is really the only thing we have to go by. The way I read it, which may be wrong, is that by killing, committing murder, tears the soul. However, it doesn't sound like the true "mutilation" of the soul, as Dumbledore describes Horcruxes, happens unless you encase the torn portion in an object. The impression I get is that you still have the torn fragment and eventually the tear could heal, but not if you rip that fragment out to encase after the murder.

Don't really have much of a basis for that theory, but given that the Aurors are said to have at one time been given the authority to use the AK I don't see it as creating a long lasting effect.

 

Here's one that might not have been tossed around, how does a suddenly morally ambiguous Albus Dumbledore plotting world domination with his mate ever acquire a Phoenix the symbol of good and purity as a familiar? It doesn't really seem like he acted in a manner that qualified as redemption.

I can already see stories already where Fawkes is actaully the spirit of Ariana keeping an eye on him...

Jim

 

Dumbledore always acted For the Greater Good. He always believed that he acted in a way that benefited people, even when he was doing the Dark Lord-in-training gig. After that, all of his manipulations over the years were for the purpose of eradicating the world of Voldemort. While his actions, to us, seem morally ambiguous, he never once acted with a malicious intent. I guess that's enough for a phoenix.

 

Oh god no.

How about this, In book 6 we were supposed to discover someone who never did magic doing it later in their life. Who was it? I don't believe it was ever mentioned.

 

Merope Gaunt.

 

You're thinking of fanon. No where in canon does it say that a Phoenix is the symbol of good and purity. The only thing that comes close is the effect of Phoenix song uplifting the good hearted and bringing fear into the dark hearted (paraphrased obviously). Dumbledore was a good hearted person in general. Yes he had his slipups, but he was only human. He strove to do what was right even if it was a bit questionable in method.

If anything in Rowling's world a Phoenix would be more connected to loyalty than to purity and "good". It was Harry's show of loyalty to Dumbledore that called to Fawkes, not how "Light" or "Good" Harry was.

 

Then no one deserves a phoenix more than Bellatrix. On that avian note, WTF meant the big white peacock at Malfoy Manor?

 

It's something of a status symbol is all. In real life it wasn't uncommon for some of the couple hundred "stately homes" in Britian to have peacocks. A White Peacock is simply a rarer version and thus even more of a show of wealth and importance.

 

Noone ever said they dislike the book and this thread is certainly not screaming plot-holes. What we are trying do is to make sense of some things JKR left unanswered. You seem to think we are asking questions to rip the book apart and make everyone hate it. Quite the contrary, I assure you. Well if you are in any doubt I certainly liked the book and voted 4/5 for it in Bio's poll.

Now about the topic, I have another doubt and yes I couldn't figure it out.

# After Narcissa Malfoy says Harry is dead, Voldemort throws a Crucio at Harry, but he doesn't feel any pain. How is that?

And don't tell me that the wand wasn't working for Voldemort against Harry, he cast an Avada Kedavra on Harry minutes before. He wasn't just wasn't dead because Voldemort took his blood and protection so he couldn't die when Voldemort was alive. So I take this means that the Elder wand will work against Harry as lond as he is not duelling against it. So how come a crucio didn't hurt him while he was pretending to be dead?

About Hagrid, it seems that Death-eaters controlled Acromantulas wit some form of imperious and send them to battle and they were using the spider's pit as their camp. So it is likely that the spiders gave up Hagrid to Death-eaters. Also Aragog said that his off-springs won't hurt Hagrid. So spiders just over-whelmed him or something and didn't actually hurt him.

 

Harry explained this before he disarmed Voldemort to death. Because Harry died at Voldemort's hand Voldemort's spells had no effect or no lasting effect on those under the protection. Apparently this extended to Harry. Had Voldemort cast it before Harry died then it would have worked.

 

But that means Harry could have made Voldemort look like a squib by taking a bunch of AKs to his chest without batting an eye right? Oh how much better that last duel would have been..... *thinking wistfully of Voldemort looking like absolute idiot throwing spell after spell at Harry without any effect*

 

A bunch of AK's would probably have hurt him.... a little? It isn't said, so it could probably have been the way you would've liked it to be

 

Hey guys this question hit me suddenly while browsing through the forum.

# In page 89 Hermione says that to destroy the soul in a Horcrux you have to destroy its container beyond magical repair. OK. Then towards the end Harry gets Gaunt ring and calls Marauders and Lily back. If the stone was carcked through the middle (HBP) and beyond magical repair, how is that possible? If by any chance the stone repaired itself (being a Hallow and all) wouldn't the soul still be inside?#

 

Somehow, I think that the Horcrux wasn't the stone itself, but rather the ring containing the stone. The ring was broken beyond magical repair and, by extension, the soul piece was "killed."

The stone itself didn't need to be harmed in any way, if my theory is correct.

 

But in HBP it is clearly stated that Dumbledore was wearing a ring with a black stone cracked down the middle. Harry sees this while Dumbledore comes to take him from the Dursleys.

So it was the stone that cracked and ring was intact.

 

Yeah I wondered the same thing. The only guess I have is that the ring's stone was hollow, and within the ring's stone was the actual resurrection stone. It would thus explain how the stone could fit in a snitch, and the crack. That's a stretch though...

 

You know, the clues are piling up that the Hallows ARE a new invention in DH, regardless of their half-assed connections to previous books.

It seems to me JKR used to have an entirely different plan for the final battle, probably something to do with the power of love and that room in DOM that she had foreshadowed in OOTP and HBP. But then, for some reason, she decided to scrape that idea and add the Hallows, leaving "power of love" and "secret room" plot threads hanging.

I just hope that, some day, she will reveal what she REALLY wanted to write. Who knows, it might be something better than this shit.

 

I took a few of the questions here and submitted them to the JK Rowling Live Chat on Monday, along with a bunch of mine. Hopefully we'll get answers, though it's unlikely. If you have any other canon questions, it might be a good idea to go submit them now!