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Abandoned The Stranger Trilogy by serpant sorcerer - M

Discussion in 'The Alternates' started by Rahkesh Asmodaeus, Sep 10, 2005.

  1. Boo

    Boo Auror

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    hey, does anyone know who the girls are in the pictures on the yahoo group?
     
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  2. nonjon

    nonjon Alumni Retired Staff

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    If you've read the stories then it's not hard to tell. The older pictures had one girl who was supposedly "Rose" (Harry's sister) from Unholy Land. The ones featuring a girl with a scar are (minor spoiler, I don't care) Katie Bell, the Girl-Who-Lived in Promised Land.

    The current one is odd seeing Veronica Mars with the scar, but I reckon she's the new Katie. I think it had been Kirsten Dunst in one of the older ones with a crudely drawn on scar.

    And Boo, please, capital letters are your friend. Punctuation, grammar, a little effort to make the forums not look like an IM chat log would be appreciated. Double posts are bad too, but sometimes unavoidable. Acknowledgment and apologies for double-posting are appreciated in those instances or else the wolves and grammar nazis will give you the thrashing your few posts on the board deserve.
     
  3. Wisdom's Mountain

    Wisdom's Mountain Sixth Year

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    I'm enjoying the the mystery aspect of the sequel, as opposed to the slash-and-bang style of the first story. With that thought, perhaps the sequel should get its own thread.
     
  4. Boo

    Boo Auror

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    I was just thinking. In the 'Unholy land' people said that Harry(Dark knight) just started to hate everything and separate himself from everyone for no real reason. Is it possible that another 'Harry' came to that world the same way Harry did?

    That would mean there are a bunch of Harry dopplegangers out in someone elses universe. And the old woman talking about balance would be impossible (not her talking about balance, but the actual balance thing)
     
  5. Sledgehammer

    Sledgehammer Second Year

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    My theory has always been that the Dark Knight version of Harry was a victim of Riddle's diary, much like Ginny had been in CoS.
     
  6. Samuel Black

    Samuel Black Chief Warlock

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    I... I actually never thought of that. That's not a bad idea.
     
  7. eXcalite

    eXcalite Seventh Year

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    updated on jonos yahoo group
     
  8. Rahkesh Asmodaeus

    Rahkesh Asmodaeus THUNDAH Bawd Admin DLP Supporter

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    Oh holy shit. o_o

    And I have work now. God fucking damnit!
     
  9. Skeletaure

    Skeletaure Magical Core Enthusiast ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    Urgh.

    As expected, I disliked it.

    He managed to turn what was promising to be a good chapter into an angst-fest. He also appears to be going down the same route JKR went down in HBP and DH. Power of love, holier-than-thou killing your enemy in a war is wrong, violence is not the answer blah blah blah.

    The Harry/Grindelwald duel was good, but that was the sole highlight of the chapter.
     
  10. Mors

    Mors Denarii Host DLP Supporter

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    Update? Nao? ... /goes off to read


    ... disappointing. The angst, though, was somewhat necessary. People do actually feel it, now and then. Brilliant duel, but then again, Jono's duels usually are.


    I imagined Harry would be keeping some of his secrets instead of splashing the news of his sudden fighting capability all over the Prophet. Why attract attention from the populace? It's not as if duelling Grindelwald would make them trust him and make his job easier... I'd always felt that if a well-known wimp suddenly comes out of nowhere and beats the shit out of the Dark Lord, that's a definite cause for suspicion. Defiance of the Hero made Harry a leader quickly, sure, but at least in that case James and Lily had been among the well-known elite fighters for decades. It wasn't that much of a leap to accept their son as a warrior. But in this case, I think Harry should've at least tried to keep his identity secret from the media. A stupid move.

    You can use the spoiler tag instead, Mors. - Sree
     
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  11. Jolersoer

    Jolersoer Third Year

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    Basically, I loved the first part of the chapter, including the fighting scene with Grindelwald wich is IMO very well writen.

    As it was more or less following cannon until this point we had to endure the scene in the office and the angst of the explanation, and while it can be considered somewhat realistic, well it's an angst-fest.

    The end of the chapter made me fear a pussyfication of Harry, who already dislike killing (sigh), I hope Harry will stay insane and that everyone will realise that when someone want to kill you, you just have to kill him first.

    I will continue to follow this story which is one of the best I ever read.
     
  12. Samuel Black

    Samuel Black Chief Warlock

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    I agree. I was half expecting Harry to show up in the mask that he wore in the first one when he infiltrated the Ministry. At least an attempt to hide his identity, but this wasn't bad.
     
  13. fuubar

    fuubar Headmaster

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    Overall I would say that it was a good change from the rest of the story so far. The duel with Grindelwald was well done. As for him keeping his identity a secret he knew that the second he went to the ministry to help fight that he was going to have to show who he truly was as he had basically announced what he was going to do the previous chapter.

    As for the reported angst... meh I didn't think that he was whining really. To me it seemed that everyone else was the one freaking out about the fact that he had killed people. Harry in this seems to try and avoid killing other people whenever he does not absolutely have to but if you didn't notice when it really came down to everything being on the line he had no trouble going for the kill.

    As for the whole thing that Taure brought up about the holier-than-thou I would like to point out that it was not Harry who was saying that. It was Riddle, McGonnagal and Katie none of whom have actually fought in a war either I believe.
     
  14. Skeletaure

    Skeletaure Magical Core Enthusiast ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    Yes, but you can tell Harry is going to buy into it.
     
  15. Chime

    Chime Dark Lord

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    The chapter was good. I wasn't dissapointed, but then again, half of it was just fighting.

    Things I didn't like:

    –Lameness of Sirius' death. One should never need to quote cannon to kill somebody. The battle could have easily progressed without Harry interfering, with Sirius falling into the veil some other explicable way.

    –Harry not as the Black Knight. White Knight is fine and all, but he could have worn a mask. It could have come off during the battle; whatever. A lot more tense with the mask, I think. A lot of good conflict/drama dispelled by Harry going in as himself.

    –The angst was tolerable. I found nothing wrong with it. However, I cannot fathom Harry feeling guilty at this point. He knew what he was doing. Everything was deliberate. He can regret and whatever, but I cannot think he would still feel guilty. He just doesn't have the energy. Harry's too moral for himself to be the killer he describes himself as.

    I don't mind the redemption thing so much. Whether Harry is changed as Riddle hopes or not, I don't care. Either way works. Harry can be as he is now, a sort of hybrid between evil and good, or he can be "redeemed" – I say this works because simply, Riddle was evil and so he wishes to do what Dumbledore did for him. It's a fitting conclusion. If things fit, I'm willing to let things slide.

    I'm glad Harry'll be a professor. Even though that idea has been done to death, it's ten thousand times better than keeping him as a student or temporary resident at the castle.

    The best thing about this chapter is that it makes the potential "romance" between Harry n' Katie a litle less likely. I'm really hoping that they don't get romantically involved, as, that would just be so cliche, I don't know if I could stand it. Harry has his own problems, he can't go woman hunting right now. One better not just fall into his lap just for convenience sakes.

    I don't know. It looks that way (Katie's descriptions and analysis of Harry lend to your prediction) but Harry's said little on the matter. It depends how he takes his teaching position and where his relationship with Katie will go. I mean, he's still keeping a secret from her, one that could just as easily rupture what little they have.
     
  16. fuubar

    fuubar Headmaster

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    Perhaps but I kind of doubt it, or maybe I'm just hoping that he is not going to go all uber-peaceful. If he learned anything from unholy land you would think that it would be that he decides how good or evil he is by his own actions and not some one else's impossible standards. Then again he has been being a bit of a moron so far in this time. Meh we'll see.
     
  17. Boo

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    I kinda hope that Katie and Harry get together. Its one of those rare parings that i always liked.

    They seem like a good pair in this story. Both had hard lifes, having the weight of the world on their shoulders. They might need some to lean on(cheesey).

    I wonder if Harry would take to his dimension in the end(if they get together).
     
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  18. Kang

    Kang Denarii Host DLP Supporter

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    The fanfiction version is like 4 chapters behind. Do you get an email telling you if he has updated on yahoo? A bit annoyed that he went in and just told them everything but at least the duel with Grindewald was cool! 5/5 :)
     
  19. Chime

    Chime Dark Lord

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    Harry was forced to tell the truth. The moment he went in without a mask, there was no point in hiding anything. Doing so would just draw the story out unnecessarily. As Jono said in his comments, what most of Part 2 had been so far was just a OOTP rewrite with Harry as an observer/narrator and Riddle behind it all instead of Dumbledore. Hopefully we can get a unique plot going now that everything has been laid on the table.
     
  20. Rahkesh Asmodaeus

    Rahkesh Asmodaeus THUNDAH Bawd Admin DLP Supporter

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    I loved it. Battle was awesome, as was the aftermath.

    For the ones talking about his guilt issues: Think about it, he went through the same thing just a year ago. He was ignored, and wasn't told anything about what was going on, which resulted in the death of his Godfather.

    This time, he was the one who was doing the ignoring, and he was directly responsible for needlessly shouting out Sirius' name, distracting him, allowing Bellatrix to kill him. I'd say that's a very valid reason to be guilty. And he's not crying over it, he's accepted it and is moving on.
     
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