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Complete The Sun Soul by 50Caliberchaos - M - Pokemon

Discussion in 'Games' started by Dilla, Jan 31, 2010.

  1. yak

    yak Moderator DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    Way to blow things out of proportion, Poytin. I think I've only ever given one negative review here, and that was for something by Tenhawk whose name has been infamous in fanfiction fandom for writing popular yet shitty fics since what... the 90s?

    That's one time. Maybe I've written a negative review for another fic you like, but I don't keep a list or anything. I read and give an honest opinion. If I already agree with a thread's general opinion, then I probably won't review the fic because "me too!" isn't really bloody constructive. I tend to only comment when I've got something to add to a conversation. Maybe that makes me seem more controversial than I really am, but whatever. I'm not about to change my behaviour to make you feel better.

    I didn't give a negative review to The Sun Soul, it's just not wholeheartedly positive. This is a good fic, it just doesn't do it for me and I outlined my reasons why and where I feel it could be improved. DLP doesn't work if you start trying to scare people from writing critical reviews.

    Maybe The Sun Soul is the greatest fic in Pokemon fandom - it's good enough that it wouldn't surprise me - but that doesn't put it on a pedestal where no one is allowed to critique it.
     
  2. Heleor

    Heleor EsperJones DLP Supporter

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    I'm not saying your opinion is invalid about the fic, but I really don't see how you can say you're too old for Pokemon and yet still read HP fanfiction.
     
  3. yak

    yak Moderator DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    I'm not too old to play Pokemon. Gameplay is king. I could go out tomorrow and buy a DS and whatever the latest Pokemon game is, and I wouldn't be surprised if I loved it. Or maybe I'd hate it. But either way I'd give it a fair shake of the stick.

    edit: The only way that I'm too old for Pokemon, is that if I was younger I'd have been caught up in the Pokemon fever or whatever you want to call it that swept the world via the cartoon. I wasn't.
     
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  4. Seratin

    Seratin Proudmander –§ Prestigious §– DLP Supporter

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    I'm just shocked that anyone could not love this fic. This is better than a shitload of HP fics that you'd probably read. That being said, your opinion and all. It's just odd.
     
  5. Silens Cursor

    Silens Cursor The Silencer DLP Supporter

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    The only oddness is that YOU HAVEN'T BATTLED MATTSILVER3K YET. HE'S ON IRC - GO.

    And yes, since this is a Pokemon topic, this is a perfectly valid post.
     
  6. zoxabels

    zoxabels First Year DLP Supporter

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    Damn, now you make me feel old:S

    But seriously this is one of my favorite story, I just hope it wont be to much angst in the next chapter/s.
     
  7. Harvest King

    Harvest King Third Year

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    I just have a question in regards to this post. Were these crossover fics with Harry Potter? I'm thinking they were, and if that is the case, they don't really go towards proving your point. You have a vested interest in the Harry Potter characters which would allow you to enjoy the fic and just maybe learn to love the characters from the other series which could lead to reading a fic that is pure Dresden for instance.

    In this case, all you get is pure Pokemon. I don't know about you, but I've never even been interested in reading fanfiction about a random series that I've never read before unless I read a crossover first. It didn't matter how mind blowing the fic was I just wouldn't read it/couldn't get passed the first few chapters.
     
  8. The Santi

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    Fine. Here you go, a Harry Potter/Pokemon xover. Now, once you finish reading that...gem. Go back and read The Sun Soul. You'll quickly see there's a definite difference in the plot, quality of writing, and author's ability to convey a good story.
     
  9. Hashasheen

    Hashasheen Half-Blood Prince

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    :facepalm Santi, I believe he meant it generally.
     
  10. Heleor

    Heleor EsperJones DLP Supporter

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    That particular fic doesn't even really try for plot or anything. Barely Pokemon, if anything.

    @yak: Fair point. Though from what I remember the cartoon wasn't the first thing that caught kids' attentions. I was addicted to the card game long before I saw ANY episodes of the show.
     
  11. Ched

    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    Awesome frickin' story is awesome. Just finished the first 10 chapters and had to come back to say that.

    Sure there's a few things that don't make 100% sense in this world -- but more stuff makes sense than it did in the cartoon or the game. It's very well done.

    There is so much about it that I like that it's almost ridiculous.

    I'll admit that I was not a huge fan of the Pokemon games. I played Blue, Gold, and... uh, Ruby? Three different generations at least. I liked them alright but I never got into them as much as most people seemed to -- I think part of the problem was that I wanted to "catch 'em all" but didn't want to spend time doing it or buy two game copies, etc. I watched the cartoon sometimes but not until I was a few years too old to really get into it. Never played the card game or had any Pokemon-related toys. All that said I know enough about the franchise to appreciate this.

    This story is a great adaption. 5/5

    Edit: Actually, I'm going to drop it down to more of a 4.5/5 instead for various reasons. One of which is that find that Ash seems slightly inconsistent with some things. I'm glad that he doesn't hesitate to kill in battle, but sometimes he seems a bit too callous and it conflicts with his thoughts/feelings about preferring not to kill at other points in the story. It's not a big thing though. Can't wait to see where this goes either -- last chapter was reasonably epic.
     
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  12. Seratin

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    Ugh, this fic is becoming too popluar and mainstream. 50cal sold out man. He betrayed us to these conformist idiots that only like the fic because of his new one. Fuck that, YOU JUST LOST ONE OF YOUR ORIGINAL FANS.

    /sips PBR and cycles out of the thread.
     
  13. Ched

    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    Pabst Blue Ribbon? If so, then well done sir. Well done indeed.

    I'll admit that I only decided to check this out based on his Harry Potter story, but I'm rather glad I did.

    /goes back to reading to find out if selling out occurs anytime soon...
     
  14. yak

    yak Moderator DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    Generally, no they weren't. Dresden was, so perhaps I should have precluded that from the list. They were just the fandoms that I listed off the top of my head. You can replace Dresden with Zelda, if you like.

    Different strokes. I enjoy a good story. If the story is good enough, then I'll read it no matter the fandom.

    Coming to a new fandom completely cold can be a problem, though it's less so now that there are wikis for everything. Even before wikis, people used to write fairly comprehensive encyclopedias of their favourite fictional 'verses and put them up on Geocities and the like. I don't expect authors to perfectly re-describe every character and location from canon, which is why I read up on the 'verse at the same time as I'm reading the story. I think I had three different Bulbapedia tabs open to the one Sun Soul tab.
     
  15. Grubdubdub

    Grubdubdub Supreme Mugwump

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    Thing is, one of the biggest pluses of the story is the way it takes canon Pokemon and explains it in a totally awesome way. You won't get that from just reading Bulbapedia, or at least not all of it.

    I constantly compare canon Ash to the one portrayed here, and because of that I enjoy the slight differences between the two. I wouldn't mind if Ash and co. are more fleshed out, but I don't think the author should assume we don't know who they are.

    TL;DR If you know the fandom you'll enjoy it more.
     
  16. The Santi

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    /kills Seratin

    A pity. I was so looking forward to more of the zombie story.
     
  17. Ched

    Ched Da Trek Moderator DLP Supporter ⭐⭐

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    Question was asked a while back, but I never saw anyone answer it. She wasn't using Blastoise because he was injured and his shell was... cracked, or something, I don't remember. They sent him to Bill to recover and as far as I can remember he's still there when Misty is killed.


    On the number of Pokemon you can carry -- yeah, in the games, it's generally 6. At least the games I played, which I think was the first 3 generations.

    If the author needs a reason to (1) follow this rule or (2) completely disregard the rule then he can easily come up with one to suit his story either way. It's not a definitive part of the plot in the games so much as it's simply a gameplay element.

    On that note I sort of liked the reasoning behind why a lot of trainers specialized in certain types of pokemon instead of spreading out their teams.

    As for Ash's team -- Pikachu is a given. I'd say that Arcanine is also a definite team member and the only way he's leaving is if Ash finds another important job for him. Charizard is probably also going to being around, as is Haunter in some form.

    I think a lot of you are looking at it solely from a balanced/type perspective, and in this story some of the pokemon are characters in and of themselves. Maybe not Pidgeot or Staryu, but Pikachu and Arcanine certainly are. So I expect them to either die or have some role to fulfill.

    That isn't going to get Ash get a balanced team though, so it will be interesting to see where this goes.
     
  18. KaiDASH

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    Pikachu, Arcanine, Haunter & Charizard are all characters, so I'd agree that they'll be around.

    I really hope Butterfree stays too, since ninja!Butterfree is really too cool not to have. Munchlax will be likely be kept by Ash as well, because thats what Misty wanted.

    As for the rest of Misty's Pokemon, I can't actually remember what exactly other pokemon Misty had or what happened to them. Blastoise (with Bill), Starmie (died to the Machoke?), Staryu (??), Vaporeon (??). Anything else?
     
  19. Oz

    Oz For Zombie. Moderator DLP Supporter

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    I must have missed this. What was the reasoning?
     
  20. Ceebee

    Ceebee High Inquisitor

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    It's hard to learn all the differences in food reqs/training methods needed/temperment/attitude/everything that a pokemon does and is between various types. So, most stick with one type since its easier.

    Analogy = It would be silly to ask a horse trainer to train your dog, given that they're both animals. It would be silly to ask a water trainer to train rock pokemon.

    Unless you have a hax super random one in a million ability that makes everything really easy.
     
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