However, you also have to consider that there are some characters who at least have to be mentioned or come up in a cameo or one-off scene. Hank Pym, for example. He's one of the foremost minds in general science in the Marvel Universe, and on par with Dr. Banner and Tony when it comes to their respective fields of expertise.

There are some people you can out-right ignore, and there are also things that you can mention which will get a shrug of the shoulders from someone like you, but to people like me or Celestin will earn quite a bit of notice. Such as the scene where Hank Pym suddenly went missing. It set the wheels in my mind moving, and I wondered for the next hour after reading it if he'd been kidnapped or if he'd become Ant Man.

It's a case of finding a balance, not choosing. When you write Naruto, do you choose to use the manga as flavor-material, or discard it altogether? After all, the medium in which most people will have seen it is in the anime, filler and all.

 

Don't worry...

...that's already decided

 

It's much easier to cut shitty content than add extra stuff that doesn't resonate with much of your audience.

I'm not trying to tell Roarian what to do, just trying to explain my perspective and what I think adds and detracts from his story. These new super-science bad guys come off as shitty filler to me, and I'm fairly sure that Ant Man or whoever, despite how important he may be to the comic universe, has not once ever been mentioned in the movie-verse nor has it even been confirmed that he will be a part of the Avengers movie-verse.

So again, much of this stuff comes off as boring filler to me, who is only aware of the movie content and who is eagerly awaiting more development on that front rather than all of these seemingly unimportant subplots.

Except that it seems, from what I've read, that it hasn't.

I see posts with people saying how much they love all of these nods to the comic universe and that they want other characters added to the story, such as Spider-Man.

I'm just on the other side of the coin. As long as Roarian is looking for input, I'm saying that I don't love all of this extra stuff.

It's Roarian's story, it's his decision.

 

Hi. I just dropped into the thread to add that this fic is...

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'Shitty Filler' or 'Original storyline that doesn't mindlessly leech off the movies like every other Avengers fic'? A.I.M. is an organization that has connections with the Avengers, has a known affinity for the Tesseract/Cosmic Cube and it has interacted with some of the other villains already in the movies, such as General Ross.

I'd rather have an original storyline that allows for some actual new things to happen rather than a rehash of the plot of Thor (which was pretty thin to begin with) or TIH for that matter.

Although I do include some comics material, where it is important and significant, I do go out of my way to make sure that it's understandable to people that only saw the movies. AIM is supposed to be pretty shadowy right now, they're a terrorist organization with ridiculously advanced technology that want to take over the world. (They're connected to HYDRA too, the baddies from Captain America.)

Now, there are minor nods that probably won't get a massive exploration: MODOK's present, but this is well before he ever went beyond just being George Tarleton. As for Spidey - well, I don't see how I can include someone relatively obscure like Hank Pym (even if he's known to exist in the movieverse and kind of a big deal scientist) but skip out on him while a part of the canon events including Tony's new HQ take place right there in his city.

To be clear, these are things that _definitely_ won't appear: Mutants/X-Men in general, Fantastic Four, and effectively all of the villains and such that they bring along. The majority of content that I include which isn't directly from the movies is Avengers-related comics stuff.

Personally, I think if you miss some reference, it shouldn't affect the story any. Yes, if you know your norse mythology you have some idea of how different the wizards/witches of that kind are, beyond that they also use magic. Yes, if you know your comics you can figure out that the future She-Hulk's already been along (even if she won't appear as such), you can probably note that 90% of the SHIELD personnel that's gotten a name are directly from the comics, the Hank Pym reference probably got you thinking Ant-Man, who's one of the original Avengers in the comics.

That said, the story shouldn't -require- you getting such things, they're just nice for fellow comics fans. It also helps to broaden the world a little bit beyond the myopic Iron Man, Hulk and SHIELD scope. SHIELD's referencing that there are all kinds of extraordinary people appearing lately, and I think showing that a little should help flesh out the world, plus keep things fresh for those who just watch the movies. They'll definitely recognize those parts which are inspired by the movies, though I have never been a fan of railroading things to canon (Iron Man is really the one I thought needed to stay the closest to canon, as compared to TIH for example, the change is pretty pronounced in Tony's character.

Well, I've been yammering for a while now. Cheers.

 

There is certain things I agree with Howdy on. I don't want to see Roarian fall under so many sub plots. I love the comics a lot and feel this is a very good effort of expanding on the movie universe and being able to whittle out a whole ton of content that would bog this down.

The need for a coherent big bad is kind of building in the background, I'm not one hundred percent sure who may appear to fill that role but I can say I think Roarian is on track to be telling an absolutely awesome story. One of those stories that helps broaden a fandom just because of the easy to understand universe. Getting into the full comic verse is ridiculously hard as you need a lot of planning to make everyone fit. So this is a nice easy read in that regard.

Also Ant-Man has been name dropped in Thor I believe. As the guy who Selvig sends an email too asking about SHEILD. I don't think he will be an Avenger in the movie verse which sucks as he is an original member in the comics.

Also including Black Panther or Spidey would be interesting in my opinion. Black Panther would mean adding the Skrulls I think. I'm not overly familiar with my Wakanda lore.

 

While I have read a comic book here or there (it is REALLY hard to find a good "starting" point to read Marvel comics... so I have no idea where to "break in" so to speak... kinda like reading the star wars "novels") I base most of my knowledge off of the movies. So far I have seen nothing that worries me. Yes, I've had to look up information just to be relevant in the debates here in wba, but I've understood the STORY quite easily, with the exception, of course, of whoever AIM is and what the adaptiod

Spoiler

see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Adaptoid if you want to read what the comics have to say

That said, we don't know what the Roarian is planning for this. We don't know if he'll follow the comic, make his own shit up, or mix and match. Before we start telling him to pick the movies or the comics and stand firm, lets see him get a bit further into the story and actually have a chance to make something up.


TL;DR: I don't think we've seen any evidence of him using the "comic book verse" as excessive sub-plotting. Lets see where he's going before we write anything off.

 

Not a big fan of pasting super in front of things.

But yeah, AIM has already been established to exist in this universe in the tie-in games for Iron Man, where half a dozen villains appear courtesy of them, most of them with some kind of suit or such. Expanding on their comics activities by adapting them (hah) to fit the movie-verse allows for some things to happen we didn't see yet without straying into crazy territory.

This is a reason I'm hesitant about including major characters from, say, Dr. Strange's comics. I don't think that would easily fit with the established continuity and any movie would take liberties with the comics as well. As Tony describes it, Harry's an expert in atypical physics and the practical effects of probability manipulation, or <tech jargon for no clue but magic sounds so silly>

'The Roarian' -snerk-

Cheers. The current in-progress is here but it's still pretty shitty.

 

Thank you very much The Roarian. Haha There seemed to be one or two things that seemed off well reading. Also Merlin is kind of ... well boring. I know Doctor Druid makes the British standby of Druid impossible. Also the voice would need to mask his accent as well I think...

Magus is wicked but already attached to Adam Warlock. Prospero is Shakespeare. Avatar makes you think of blue cats and seventies animation flicks involving nuclear warfare, nazis, and wizards. Which is pretty cool actually. Svarog is like a slavic blacksmith god which goes nicely with the technology background and giant fiery display of power against Stane.

Hard to pick a good hero alias for Harry, Merlin just feels like a copout.

 

I agree, but I don't think any name would please everyone, anyway. The chapter's rather raw so far so you probably noticed that - some sharp transitions and the like.

Magus is kind of cool, and Adam Warlock doesn't even exist in this 'verse, so it would perhaps be a cool pick.

 

Why not just call him 'The Wizard'?

 

As a heads'-up: Marvel has just announced a Guardians of the Galaxy movie (presumably featuring Adam Warlock) slated for 2014. Avengers 2 will be 2015 and will probably feature at least some of those characters, since Thanos seems to be the main antagonist.

 

I'm glad I've used goggle documents before. I see people editing the text and it freaked me out or a second.

I really hope Sporkincarnate is Rorian... or his beta.

 

It's a me, Morta's priest/Roarian.

 

Somebody linked another of your stories in the Naruto fandom, and I was like "this guy is pretty good. Hey what else has he written? ...It's roarian! I should have known..."

 

I probably would have went with Prometheus...the guy who brought the power of fire to the mortals. Though, I think something original would be nice too.

 

While I don't have a specific name to recommend, I think it is important for everyone to remember that it is the public in the story who give the superheroes their names, not the heroes themselves. This being the case, whatever superhero name Harry receives, it will have to be based off of what the general public have seen Harry capable of on TV during his fight with Stane. On top of that, it shouldn't be anything too laced with symbolism that the average person may not get. The media would most likely pick something simple that describes Harry and what he can do. It could even be debated that Harry's superhero name may have nothing to do with magic if the media doesn't make the connection with what they saw Harry doing and it being magic (though I am personally partial towards his superhero name being related to magic in some fashion).

 

^ I agree. The media should pick the name, not Harry or Bruce or Tony.

If what the media mostly focused on was the fire Harry made, then maybe Phoenix wouldn't be too bad a choice. Jean Grey isn't here to steal it, after all.

 

Yes... Yes it would be. /doesnotwant

 

Well it sounds a hell of a lot better than Merlin, IMO. No one would take that seriously. They'd be thinking of the old Sword in the Stone Disney movie.