The premise that an advanced civilization requires a large population is fundamentally false. The more advanced a civilization, beyond a certain threshold - usually the one where power sources are small, self-contained, and require little to no maintenance - the fewer people are required to maintain it. A magical civilization in particular needs only an archmage-level power or two to maintain itself. The "Muggle threat" could be eliminated without any need to do anything but mass extermination of the non-magical human population - by whatever means you favor; I've no doubt that there are dozens that a sufficiently powerful wizard could employ, perhaps even on his own.

Frankly, though, the assumption that Muggles would be a threat in the first place is rather ridiculous.

Narion

 

Anthrax is a bactiria and there are treatments that can cure it if detected early enough. It can only be transfered through ingestion, inhalation, and rarely, direct skin to skin contact with inhalation being the most effective/potent. So, unless wizards were planning to kill all the animals, everywere, they wouldn't be able to effectivly distribute airborn forms of anthrax.

There is a Wizard vs. Muggle conflict.

Haven't you seen X-men 1?

If every one on earth had the "Magic diesease" , Then nobody would be fighting against each other since there would all be Wizards. It's not likely that anyone would want to go back to being magicless.

Hmm. There's a couple of things wrong with this, the first being that these weapons for germ warfare aren't the type of objects the one would label, discreet or subtle. They're basicly bombs. They explode, kill some people, then release some random deadly pathogen that kill some more people.
also, how would anyone get there hands on these types of weapons? Imperio some higher up to go and extract one from the weapons cache? Problem with this is that the weapons aren't handled by some noob private dealer (and the ones that are suck), they are owned by goverments, And these goverments probably used a hefty sum of tax payer dollars to manufacture these weapons. Point is, every single one of these weapons would have to be registered on a computer, need trained preofessionals and specific gear to effectivly launch em (they are not exactly point-n-shoot these days), and would be detected by the billions of dollars of detection satilites that have been chillin in the exosphere.
Also any attempt to magicly erase evidense wouldn't work because most of the evidence is electronic (minus the people actualy doing the shooting).

 

Um... One of the issues I have with this whole line of reasoning is that it follows the idea that there's no difference in magical power between, say, Neville and Dumbledor. Just skill.

Except the books make this out to not be the case. That said, it /is/ an interesting idea, but it needs work.

The other problem I have is the whole "It's magic, it's not quantifiable."

Look, just because we can't do it in real life, or don't know /how/ it does what it does doesn't necessarily mean we are unable to quantify it.

And I especially hate the idea that spells are just different orders of infinities. That a perfectly cast Protego will block anything, regardless of how much magical power the guy casting it has, or what it's blocking.

I mean, yes, I do suppose this /could/ be the case, but it seems awefully unlikely. The fact is, you seem to be ignoring the fact that Magic can be taught. If it can be taught then it follows some sort of internally logical ruleset, and isn't just "Olol, it's all powerful blah blah blah"


For instance, I'd wager that while skill does contribute to the casting and effectiveness of a spell, that it is not the /only/ factor. Neville casts a perfect Protego, and Dumbledor casts a perfect Stunner.... and Dumbledor's goes straight through Neville's shield.

Actually, for that matter, if it was just a difference in skill.... Squibs wouldn't exist. And yet they do, so there has to be something else to it.

Personally, what I'd suggest is a new thread to discuss magic itself. But instead of wild theories and the like, and all this orders of infinities crap, we actually do it analytically. You know, observe and record the feats, and figure out the results? Supporting arguements with evidence from the books.

IE: an AK can go through the most powerful magical shields yet it can't go through a football sized chunk of stone. Conclusion? Physical stuff blocks the AK (but usually blows up)

So it blows up. Well lets look at what we've seen blow up by having an AK hit it, and try to get a higher or lower range. Obviously an AK hitting the ground won't blow up the planet, so there's a higher range.

Stuff like that. Because, frankly, potterverse magic IS quantifiable. That doesn't make it any less magic, but this /is/ the case. It has defined rules, it can be taught, and it isn't just an infinity beam of power that does anything and everything regardless.

Anyhow, I'm going to make a new thread now.

 

Here is a step-by-step process of how to clean out the muggles. Gather thirty dark wizards. Teach them apparation and the imperious curse. Have them apparate to government leaders of major countries. Have them cast the Imperious on them. Then have the leaders attack one another.

By the time it is done, no one will know who attacked first. The wizards will have already secluded themselves in a small country like Madagascar. All the muggles kill each other off, and the wizards mop up the rest- besides the geniuses- with guerrilla tactics.

Afterwords, Banner's baby boom plan goes into effect. You kill of all squibs as they appear and you have a purely magical world with a bunch of little magical geniuses running around. three cheers for genocide...

 

Actually, we would prefer that the bioweapon be human-specific: Anthrax kills across a wide range of mammals. I'm still pulling for a superflu.

As for getting the muggles to attack each other, that would lead to a World War, lasting YEARS and causing a lot of damage to the planet and the valuable artifacts, etc. in cities. Moreover, a war leads to a climate of fear and suspicion, making it far more likely that we will be discovered. We want to minimize collateral damage. No matter how many young men died in WW1 and WW2, the population rebounded fast. To reduce The Entire Population by 80%+, we must think efficiency. The worst disasters to hit the human race have always been plague. Done right, it's fast, there's little damage to the environment, and the Wizarding World isn't exposed before we're ready.

 

I don't know what country you live in, but the one that I'm in has this thing called congress, you know, the place that the president goes first in order to declare war on another country.

Not all the muggles live close enough together for germ warfare to be effective. Alos, Superflu is spread by what, sneezing on someone? If everyone just wore those little mask things and washed there hands befor eating, there'd be no problem.

AIDs/HIV wouldnt work that well seing as its only spread by sex or blood contact with the infected.
Question: If an infected wizard apparated into one of these "safe zones"......whoops? But they could have planned for that and have erected an anti-apparation ward.

And uhh, don't wizards get the floo like every one else?

yes but there aren't any ways to go about with a plauge now-a-days. Plauges happend in the past (bubonic/Malariea/ect.) when the industry of medicine wasn't as massive as today(hundreds of billions of dollars and millions of people). The bubonic plauge could have been practicly avoided if someone decided to actualy take a shower to rid themselves of those disease ridden fleas.

Actualy couldn't you infect tons of mosquitoes with a deadly magical illness that 's easily cured by Wizards and send them out and about the muggle world. It would be virtualy undetectable by muggles, so there wouldn't be much of a chance for a vaccine.
It Would probably work every were that wasn't to cold for mosquitoes, but once muggles started catching on to this they would probaably just were tons of spary with that deet(watered down agent orange) stuff on it.

 

I would point out that the magical population as described in canon is too small to be self-sustaining, and that killing off the muggles would result in inbreeding, but with arguments as idiotic as these your very existence likely proves my point.

 

How to destroy the world DLP Style Part 1.

Lawl

 

The above quotes were taken from the "Source of Magic" thread in the Fanfiction Discussion subforum, and effectively state why arguing "Magic vs Muggle" is pointless against Taure.

These quotes suggest that he thinks magic is God. As we all know, God is widely considered to be omnipotent, that is, more than capable of doing everything and anything. As this is the case, Taure has shown, through these quotes, that he thinks the same of Magic and, by proxy, Wizards.

If you make Wizards out to be omnipotent, it is quite impossible to reasonably fight against them...at least, until Muggle technology is so advanced that it, too, is omnipotent. As that is not currently the case, and we're using modern technology (as opposed to future technology) to argue, arguing that Muggles can win is ultimately pointless.

EDIT: Pardon if that comes across as harsh, but really, it needed to be said.

 

I'd say release dragons en masse, and have a Reign of Fire style barbque.

 

Seriously, or just release the dementors. 7 billion people equals one big dementor feast.

And I believe that the president could attack another country without asking congress. as I said, if thirty different countries did that at the same time than no one would know who to blame but other countries. It would lead to the same post-9/11 nationalism that led to 'The War On Terror'

 

Yes, the president of the US can't formally declare war without Congress's approval, but he still has military powers as the Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States.

"In the United States, the War Powers Act of 1973 (Public Law 93-148), also referred to as the War Powers Resolution (Sec. 1), allows the President to use military forces for 60 days, without a formal declaration of war by Congress. It also grants an additional 30 days upon a formal request by the President, regardless of Congress's agreement with the request."

Self explanatory. For the full article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution


Basically the president can still fuck shit up without having to declare war. The combined might of the US military can wreak tons of havoc in 90 days.

 

You know what? Fuck it. How do we contact JKR? She could sort this out for us in 10 minutes. This thread is, as the others were, are all pointless. They are the same arguments over and over again and no side will EVER agree on who would win. After the 3rd page every argument gets recycled.

So, write JKR, give her a detailed list of the advantages and disadvantages of both muggles and wizards and let her formulate an answer......course it probably isn't that easy ;___;

 

fuck it took like 2 weeks to destroy the miltary of Iraq.. now only if those pesky freedom fighters would go away, rofls.

 

I think Dragons could be handled, How many RPG shots could they handle? Or Air to Air missiles for that matter.

The #1 advantage the Wizards would have is that they know we exist and we don't they do >_> Lets them strike first and if done right it could be first and last XD

 

Yeah but most of the air to air missles are either heat based, or radar based, and their programming makes assumptions based on what a human driven airplane could do. Imagine a dragon with a missle after it and how nimble and agile in the air it'd already be. It'd pull a massive G turn no missle could possibly hope to match. Not to mention the psychological freak out of a pilot having to dogfight with a dragon.

 

If it doesn't take wizards to wage an all-out war to win, then it doesn't take muggles one either. The PM knows wizards exist. I suppose the same is true of all other muggle leaders--I think this is a reasonable inference. Now, to get rid of the argument that a modern politician in a western country woudn't do something like this, let's use someone like Putin or Ahmadinejad. In the first day of his presidency, Putin discoveres about Wizards through the Russian MoM. He is terrified of this hidden menace inside his borders, threatening the security of Mother Russia, and decides to do something about it.
He orders the FSB to search for students who disappeared from the school records around their 11th birthday, and under the guise of some research program, these students are contacted during school holidays and made to donate, possibly with compensation, some biological samples--bone marrow and what not. These are conserved and promptly shipped to the Vector Institute in Novosibirsk. Now, JKR has said magic is genetic. Genes are studiable by muggle science. So the scientists at Vector search for something in the cells that is unique to wizards. Afterwards, they engineer a pre-existing virus (one that is relatively stable like Ebola, so that it won't mutate and start attacking muggles too) to target these proteins that are unique to wizards. They produce extreme doses of this virus--this is possible, Sadam had produced enough Botulin toxin to kill the whole world, before the 1st Gulf War--and load it into Tu-95 bombers. These bombers fly around Russia and spray this virus around, like one would spray pesticide on crops. Wait a few weeks, and voila, or as Sword of Elisha would say, "whallah". No more wizards. Rinse and repeat.
QE-fucking-D

P. S. -- I don't buy the argument that wizards are naturally immune to "muggle diseases"--they use Pepper Up Potions to treat common colds after all.

Read and weep, self-hating muggles everywhere,

Entertainment Weekly, 9/7/2000

 

That's true but I think Ground to Air would be effective given enough numbers.

Then again it all depends on what kind of range they have on their fireballs and if they have sick magic like dragons do in some fictions.