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Complete Worm by Wildbow - T - Original Urban Fantasy

Discussion in 'Original Fiction' started by Orm Embar, Feb 23, 2013.

  1. Caledfwlch

    Caledfwlch Sixth Year DLP Supporter

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    Theo hated Kaiser, though, and he probably felt betrayed that Purity, the closest thing he had to a mother, allowed Crusader to leave him behind. Considering his relationship with his family, and his own reluctance towards their ideology, I think it's plausible.
     
  2. Chime

    Chime Dark Lord

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    WB commented in one of the recent chapters the final chapter for this arc will be an interlude with Chevalier. I think it was the bonus chapter with fat fashion freak.
     
  3. Mock Moniker

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    He actually said in the comments of the most recent chapter that he won't end up doing Chevalier till the end of next arc.

    ---------- Post automerged at 11:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:37 PM ----------

    I had an idea of how I'd use Dinah if I were Coil.
    It says that she has to have some sort of scene to picture in order to calculate her odds. For example, when she was asked what the chances that the Undersiders would run into the Slaughterhouse 9, she couldn't answer until she saw pictures of the S9.

    One thing that struck me is that Coil's standard question to her, "What are the chances of problems in the next hour?" and "What are the chances of problems before lunchtime?" are way too general and broad, not the sort of thing Dinah should be able to answer.

    Anyways, if I were Coil, I would set up a code that he says to Dinah when something happens. Then early on in the day, he asks "What are the chances I tell you _____?". This way, he can sort of give his past self advice by talking to Dinah.

    For example, maybe he says "Red-1500-T +2.4" to mean "something critical went wrong with the Travelers at 3 P.M but I made 2.4 million in my investments".

    Then he'd ask Dinah questions like "What are the chances I tell you red?" to ask "did something go really wrong?" or "What are the chances I give you a negative number?" to ask "did my investments go poorly?"

    This way, the answers Dinah gives are up to Coil's interpretation of events rather than Dinah's. For example, it was kind of implied by Tagg that Dinah's 96% chance Taylor would be in custody after they outed her may have been Dinah interpreting Taylor ending up in custody a week later as part of that 96%.

    Or, another example: right now, Chevalier doesn't know if Behemoth's destination is a hard or soft target. He can't ask Dinah "what are the chances the next endbringer attack is a soft target?", without having to explain what that means and then leaving it up to Dinah to interpret. But Chev could easily ask her "What are the chances the PRT tells you after the attack "Soft Target"?". That information could be used to influence their battle strategy.
     
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  4. Rhys

    Rhys High Inquisitor

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    If the Simurgh is directing the greater strategy of the Endbringers somehow (ie, ordering where Behemoth is to attack) the location would be protected from Dinah via Scry vs. Scry.
     
  5. Caledfwlch

    Caledfwlch Sixth Year DLP Supporter

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    It's unlikely that the Simurgh is controlling them, considering she was the last of the Endbringers to appear. It's more likely there's an outside party directing the Endbringers.
     
  6. Mock Moniker

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    Dinah was able to give them numbers about the upcoming Endbringer attack, including what their chances would be if the Simurgh attacked.

    I've been thinking that the Simurgh could be directing things- how did Leviathan know to attack Brockton Bay? How did he know to work towards Noelle?

    One other thing I've been thinking: we know the Endbringers have attacked the Birdcage before. When this was first mentioned, I assumed they were attempting to free the criminals locked up in there. Lately though, I've been thinking that maybe they were attempting to kill all of them, preventing them from being released for help 2 years from now when shit starts to go down.

    I kind of with Syed read Worm so we could read his wild speculation.
     
  7. Caledfwlch

    Caledfwlch Sixth Year DLP Supporter

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    I tend to agree with the fourth party theory. The Endbringers aim towards areas that are suffering conflict (as far as we know, at least) despite being in stasis and having no way to judge/measure something like that. No one's ever mentioned that Leviathan and Behemoth acted differently before the Simurgh's appearance, so it's more likely to think that another entity is the mastermind behind it.

    Where does it say that the Endbringers have attacked the Birdcage?
     
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    Oh God please no.
     
  9. yak

    yak Moderator DLP Supporter Retired Staff

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    Where was this mentioned? I don't remember it happening in the story.

    Wash your goddamn mouth out. The last thing we need is that faggot shitting up the thread. If he's commenting anywhere it'll be on Spacebattles; that's where he came from.
     
  10. Mock Moniker

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    Armsmaster mentioned it in Miss Militia's interlude.
     
  11. yak

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    The Birdcage. Dunno how I missed that. I'd figured on Endbringers hitting the Birdcage in the future as a major plot point, but didn't realise that it'd already happened.
     
  12. Mock Moniker

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    To expand on this:
    Someone in the comments of the 23.5 noticed that in Accord's interlude it's pointed out that he sometimes ships people off to the Yangban instead of murdering them.

    And back near the end of the Travelers arc, they handed their "rewind time" member Cody/Perdition over to Accord to make up for the disruption caused when Sundancer interrupted Trickster and Accord's meeting.

    I had initially assumed Accord murdered Cody, but it seems he shipped him off to Yangban instead, and that's where their members got the rewind time power. Wildbow confirmed it.
     
  13. logiccosmic

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    You know, the Travelers have really been a serious problem.
     
  14. Garden

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    What I posted on wordpress:
    "Sorry, but I hated this chapter. The deaths of Chevalier and Accord are way too contrived.
    No guards for either of the two leaders in the field?
    Tattletale and Accord not being able to think up a plan to kill a single parahuman?
    If you need Chevalier and Accord to die, you should think of a better way to do it.
    Also, this chapter affirms my hatred of all things Travellers. Especially Cody and Trickster. Both were characterized, in my opinion, terribly. They’re some of the most selfish and frustrating characters in the series.
    The Yangban was quite interesting. Fascinating way to form a team and work together."

    "Well actually, I don’t think Chevalier is dead, since you did say he has an interlude coming up. But Accord might be. I think I might have been a little too harsh in my assessment of this chapter. I stand by the clumsy execution of their injury/death(s) by Cody, however. Felt too contrived."
     
  15. Rubicon

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    Doubt Accord is dead. All that trouble to write Accord and his group into the story just to have some random psychopath who most of us thought was dead kill him in a few paragraphs? Nah, Tt will probably save him.
     
  16. Ennead

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    I am trying to convince myself that TT guessed what he was going to do and then planned accordingly. It's too depressing otherwise.

    Edit: WB said Saturday will probably be a story chapter in IRC.
     
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  17. Howdy

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    Not depressing, just bad.

    Probably a good thing that someone banned my from #parahumans (not sure why), because unless Cody got mindfucked hard here I'm gonna call bullshit on this.

    We all know that Cody was a loathsome douchebag that got screwed by the Simurgh, so I'm not surprised he tried something like this. I'm just not buying that it succeeded. Throughout the first half of the chapter I kept telling myself, "Oh, cool. This Yangban thing is interesting and it's not broken as shit given their powers diminish the more people they add on to their roster." Super strength split a few dozen ways has got to be weaker than what Butcher could do, and even if they had a Blaster as strong as Legend his power wouldn't be so impressive at a small fraction of it's full power. Not that I think they do have a cape that strong, because if they did this whole power sharing thing would be counter-productive.

    But then Cody, by himself, kills Chevalier? What? Guy whose armor Taylor was just marveling at three chapters ago? With a pussified blaster power?

    Also not sure how Cody even cuts through it, considering when he time warps someone any physical damage they've taken gets reversed. Chevalier should be healed at least somewhat every time he gets shunted back. And jamming his gun with a puff of air? Like Chevalier's never dealt with anything as jarring as that...

    Tons of other things seem out of place, such as having only 3 people in a room called the "command center." It takes Cody more than a minute to "kill" Chevalier, yet Tattletale doesn't have a gun on her to take him out with? Accord doesn't have something on hand to use? The man who plans for every occasion? If this is supposed to be real the poor man got pelted in the head with the idiot ball. And I wouldn't even be upset if he was dead.

    The really damning things that makes me worry it's not a farce are the last few lines of the chapter, told from Tattletale's perspective after Cody leaves. Why the hell did he spare her life? Just to prevent us having to read a shitty character death?

    If Wildbow really decided to kill off Chevalier and his whole 24 interlude thing was a sham, I wouldn't be upset. He's the author, he can change his mind. It would leave the Protectorate in such dire straights I can only begin to imagine, and may be the perfect opportunity for Weaver to become more prominent within. But for Chevalier, for Accord, to die like this? Not acceptable.
     
  18. Chime

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    Tattletale isn't clarivoyant, so I don't think she saw this coming until it was too late. I doubt they're dead, if they are... I expect there to be some thorough explanation as to how they got themselves so pitifully executed.

    Tattletale is also pretty ridiculous - opening up your own windpipe with a fucking pen? Really? How did she not get through to him either? She always has a way to talk someone out of doing something.

    I was surprised though. I expected this latest chapter to be all ho-hum and nothing-happening.
     
  19. Caledfwlch

    Caledfwlch Sixth Year DLP Supporter

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    Agreeing with Howdy and Ennead.

    The death of Accord and Chevalier is ridiculous.

    (Howdy: if you want to know why you were banned, look at this, I think you're banned for a week.)

    Expecting her to always be able to get through to someone on limited time and information isn't believable. I think it's more realistic this way.
     
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  20. Mock Moniker

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    She kind of did get through to him. and he ended up sparing her life.

    As soon as I saw this was Cody's interlude I knew my dream was crushed. It was interesting seeing the Simurgh's influence at work.

    My bet: Tt and Chev live, but Accord's dead. Shame too, since he's the most useful person possible in this situation. Of course, that's why he had to die.
     
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