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  1. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    oh, I just remembered another rules thing: Last Stand is supposed to be two different targets. So Atum double-shooting Lyrium to get around angels was never an option.
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 24, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  2. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    Actually come to think of it I probably could have gotten the Atum hammer faster if I pointed out that you might not shoot who the other town wanted to shoot... ---------- Post automerged at 14:11 ---------- Previous post was at 14:10 ---------- fake edit: Fair enough. It was just some really bad timing. ;)
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 23, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  3. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    Did you just forget the game state when you asked for an ika lynch on the last day? It was never, ever, ever going to happen and you could just kill him yourself anyway. ;P
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 23, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  4. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    re: rules questions on dead people cards: intent is that they all combo with each other. I imagine the reasoning is that this isn't overpowering unless the team with all the cards is losing badly (e.g., protecting two people from curses forever isn't overpowered when the witches can nightkill both of them in the same night). Pi always said the dead people powers are intentionally very rubber-bandy.
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 23, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  5. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    The first link shows a failed attempt, which is publically announced by the moderator. The second link shows how broken the witches are, in that I lived to the end to win the game anyway. The intervening space shows the spy, a town role with access to witchchat, that these crazy witch powers were intended to balance.
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 23, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  6. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    btw Kai- <3 your d1 play
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 23, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  7. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    The best part about Prime was that he confused us in all kinds of ways that backfired and led to us accidentally killing town anyway.
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 23, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  8. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    There was another witch whose power was "see the role of any player that dies at night, and also you can drink a potion to gain the powers of any dead witch". So I was only the second most overpowered witch left alive. And that ended up being town's only lynch for the rest of the game despite like a 15/6 numbers advantage. ---------- Post automerged at 02:12 ---------- Previous post was at 01:59 ---------- The carnage starts here. Yes, that is witches killing 4 town and skipping a lynch....
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 23, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  9. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    @ika: I haven't read it yet but I may later. No hard feelings, I hope. @blab: In retrospect I may be wrong about the d2 reveal being wrong given that I could have underestimated the effect of a pseudo-townfirmed witch with 2 lives, especially with a low-activity acolyte. I would have tried harder to fish for further reads, though. @Angel Chat: I literally lol'ed at "Save us ChadMiller!" And then braced myself for the "WTF CHADMILLER" that wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was going to...
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 23, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  10. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    Guys, if Bill is scum and we lynch Atum tonight, here is the worst case scenario: -We lynch Atum tonight (4 town) -Bill nightkills 2 town (2 town) -We lynch Bill tomorrow (2:1 vote) -Bill kills a town when he hangs (1 town) The only way the lynch Atum today/Lynch Bill tomorrow plan fails is if ika or Lee is the last witch, both are alive when Bill dies and Bill kills the wrong one. If ika and Lee are both town then it can't lose, barring some freak scenario where Lyrium is a witch somehow....
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 23, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  11. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    Lee might not want to give out his extra life if there are no townfirms left. Bill should 100% use his DOB kill. ---------- Post automerged at 21:12 ---------- Previous post was at 21:12 ---------- lynching Bill today and having him hold back the kill is strictly worse than just lynching him tomorrow and letting him shoot someone if the game isn't over.
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 23, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  12. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    Barring something absurd happening, I'm fine with agreeing to fasthammer all this stuff so as not to drag it out. Like, if we lynch Atum I think every living player agrees that we're prob lynching Bill tomorrow. ---------- Post automerged at 18:00 ---------- Previous post was at 17:59 ---------- well except Bill ---------- Post automerged at 18:01 ---------- Previous post was at 18:00 ---------- In fact, that's 2 votes of 4 so lynch Atum
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 23, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  13. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    ika's not happening today, especially given Titus flipped scum. Lynching Bill is wrong because if we mislynch town!Bill at the bubble he'll probably know his correct target and win the game for town. And scum!Bill can never win because we should lynch him on the bubble for that exact reason. Realistically, I would consider any of [ika, Lee, Atum] but I'm obviously leaning toward Atum. If Bill is not townfirmed, he should be lynched at some point. Probably tomorrow. Just not today....
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 22, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  14. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    ok, I thought some more and I didn't solve the game. But that is yet another way for witches to lose; Bill gets nk'ed, targets someone who he believes is a witch and then townfirms them instead. Actually witches are pretty close to dead here; basically town has to collectively mislynch twice and the witch has to win a coinflip and not be Bill: (0) We lynch Bill at lylo no matter what. If anyone disagrees with this, I can explain it, but I think this is clearly correct. If we do this, Bill...
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 22, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  15. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    (1) Witches nk DOB, DOB targets someone who has angel protection for the night and wasn't nightkilled. What happens?
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 22, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  16. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    Wait a second. Mods, do angels protect from any kill or just nightkill? If they can protect from DOB kill I may have just solved this game. ---------- Post automerged at 14:00 ---------- Previous post was at 14:00 ---------- Also angels know who witches are right?
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 22, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  17. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    sure unvote
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 22, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  18. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    If Bill is town and gets nk'ed, we can assume that he'll try to win the game for town instead of trying to lose it. The really important thing to notice in that post is that the only really bad sitauation comes when witches NK DOB too early. Let's not do their job for them. ---------- Post automerged at 13:03 ---------- Previous post was at 12:57 ---------- So yeah, here is what I'm thinking at this point: -Lynch Atum now -Lynch Bill at lylo if we get there -If Bill dies to nk while...
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 22, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  19. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    I think if we are in lylo we lynch Bill no matter what. Therefore, I don't really care if he's a witch because he won't be around to win the game if he is. ---------- Post automerged at 12:37 ---------- Previous post was at 12:36 ---------- like, if I am in lylo with Bill, even if I 100% believe someone else is a witch, I will still lynch bill and hope he DOB kills the other person. That's strictly better than lynching the other person. Bill basically can't live to the end of this game.
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 22, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  20. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    After a lot more thought, I am 100% against lynching Bill today. DOB power is too good in the final turn if he is town. And, since town can win endgames by lynching him even if he is town, we should force witches to kill him if we don't want to save him for lylo. Lynching BOD is a little better but still not good. Worst case it still puts us in the same situation where town pretty much decides between lynching ika or Atum. Actually every endgame plan that starts with lynch Bill or Lee ends...
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 22, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  21. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    if it gets 3handed with DOB+townfirm, town automatically wins. Witches are practically forced to NK him if he's town.
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 22, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  22. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    ika, here is the hole in that plan: Assuming Bill Door and Lee town, it leaves you 3-handed against Atum and a townfirm. If town is so sure they know the correct lynch in that 3-way, we should just lynch that person now so we have some outs if we're wrong.
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 22, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  23. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    ok I will agree to stop talking for now
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 22, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  24. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    no, wait, wtf am I saying, that still puts us in LyLo with both ika and Atum still alive. That seems strictly worse than just lynching Atum first and forcing the witches to help us kill the death trigger guys.
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 22, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  25. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    ok, yes, looking at scenarios here: Worst case scenario, we lynch Atum and he's town. Witches kill you and one of the townfirms, leaving Bill, Lee, and a townfirm. Lynch Bill, either Bill is witch and town wins, or Lee is witch and town still wins when Bill DOB-kills him. Ways this can go "wrong" seem to be fine: -Atum is the witch and we just win today -Angels get a successful block and we're in a similar position tomorrow with even more info -Witches are forced to NK one of the...
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 22, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  26. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    I think the case for lynching DOB/BOD last from yesterday still mostly holds, although the counterpoint is that if one of them is the last witch, that's clearly who we want to lynch. Lyrium and I are townfirmed at this point. ika's certainly not getting lynched today. So by process of elimination, unless someone makes a strong case elsewhere I think today's lynch pretty much has to be Atum. ---------- Post automerged at 10:52 ---------- Previous post was at 10:51 ---------- Note that if...
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 22, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  27. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    And yes, I agree with your conclusion.
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 22, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  28. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    Thank you. ---------- Post automerged at 10:45 ---------- Previous post was at 10:43 ---------- And yes, I agree with your conclusion.
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 22, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  29. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    ok ika, no one else can possibly have info at this point so you might as well spill the full card history
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 22, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  30. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    Can you remind me which card was used which night, either now or when you announce last night's card? I know it probably doesn't matter much but I like to have all of town's info at day start so we can easily reference it.
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 22, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  31. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    Wait, does that townfirm Lyrium? ika, I assume no cards were used last night? What cards have been used so far again?
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 22, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  32. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    Gonna go to bed. I'm tempted to let this go to nolynch and see what I learn from the NK, but that's probably silly. vote Titus
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 21, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  33. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    Based on other people's reactions to my play, this doesn't change even after playing some games with me. Actually I'm unreasonably happy that ika guessed the only remotely possible way I could be scum so someone could accuse me of being scum. Given that my last major feat in WitchHunt was single-handedly killing something like eight town (not counting NKs), I think I'd have to die and reincarnate for that to happen. Which is entirely possible given this gamestate. Hm, I wonder if our...
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 21, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  34. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    So, speaking of... I just realized that this really does split it into town!Titus and scum!Titus worlds; in your scum!Titus hypothetical this reads "ok fine lynch me, but don't lynch my partner." And Atum hasn't posted in forever. =/ I'll think on this before bed; I may or may not be awake for the deadline.
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 21, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  35. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    I guess the word I was looking for here is "frame". Like speaking from the POV that I am scum and Titus is innocent, my play today would be really weird. Even before taking into account that I'm a replacement you guys don't know, coming in for someone who barely posted and is believed to be a town role. I mean, would any of you blink if I just jumped on Titus' wagon without much justification? Because that's totally what I would do in that spot.
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 21, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  36. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    And those scum were lynched d1 and d2, and we can assume there were no nightkilled scum except maybe Titus' n1 bomb, so if there's only 1 scum there's been only one scum since n3. There's no way they've been sitting on Last Stand that long. ---------- Post automerged at 21:16 ---------- Previous post was at 21:15 ---------- re - the anger stuff We can save the rest for postgame if you want. If you tell me something is actually, seriously bothering you then I don't need you to prove it....
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 21, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  37. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    The game won't end on this lynch because there almost has to be more than one scum. If I'm remembering the flips correctly, it's been more than one day since a scum was lynched, so they'd have to be bluffing with a single-kill despite being outnumbered like 8:1. The alternative is that Lyrium is the only witch and lying about cardflips, which I don't really believe either.
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 21, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  38. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    You know, I'm starting to wonder if Titus is the me of these forums (I tend to be perceived as scum in all games). Do you think this tunnel would be perceived any differently if Titus weren't perceived as the force behind it? Ironically, my current level of desire to lynch ika mostly comes from his reaction when I threatened to lynch him. One thing I'm really not kidding about: I'm not a fan of AtE and only AtE being a defense. Like, the question about "what would it take for him to be...
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 21, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  39. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    @ika: real talk, I've been egging you on a bit because you seem like a guy who can handle it, but if I'm making you legit mad in real life I'll agree to tone it down. btw I really did laugh at the dinosaur
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 21, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  40. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    I swear, I mentioned this exact possibility in my QT only to later end up posting "haha, ika noticed". But no, if I were scum there's no way I tunnel you this hard; there's no gain when it would have been so much easier to bus Titus. It's probably the only way I go from unlynchable to a realistic suspect.
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 21, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  41. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    Oh, yeah, that was lost in the giant archive binge. dogs/magenta for me. :)
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 21, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  42. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    Serious question, is the rule that only ika is allowed to be rude here? I mean, I would feel legit bad about some of my posts in this game if they were addressed to any of the rest of you, but that is some nerve telling me I'm the cunt in this discussion. I figured ika was just 100% trolling by now. But I wasn't kidding about his reading of that post being completely off. If you want the serious response: -The italicized part was not an assumption that he is not town. It was me saying that...
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 21, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  43. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    Seriously, Lyrium, literally every sentence of this is wrong. What do you expect from me here? ---------- Post automerged at 20:03 ---------- Previous post was at 20:01 ---------- ps you lied again
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 21, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  44. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    @Lyrium, this mainly: Explain to me why ika giving everyone the runaround for 100 posts instead of answering a question that should be trivial to answer if he were town isn't enough to lynch him over Titus. I don't even understand the counterargument, especially when the only other two people on the counterwagon refuse to put forth a real argument and are the most suspect people if this signalling thing has anything to it. I'd also like to know what it would take to convince you ika is...
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 21, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  45. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    Good, that's better than continuing to lie. I know you don't understand how discussions work but I'm hoping they do.
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 21, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  46. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    I actually wish someone capable of a real argument would convince me I'm wrong so I could stop harping on this. It's funny because I ended post after post after post telling you exactly what it would take to make me reconsider, daring you to prove me wrong and you just deflected some more. Meanwhile, when Titus has an idea and I dismiss it barring specific evidence, she comes back with that evidence. But apparently I'm some kind of sheep because I'm listening to the person with evidence...
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 21, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  47. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    I am certain you're the correct lynch given the information I have. I'll never be certain your scum short of some mechanical confirmation. Obvious lies are obvious.
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 21, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  48. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    No, they show a lot of words where you never actually answer the question.
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 21, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  49. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    Now you're just making things up. In all seriousness, I'll be legitimately impressed if you are scum. Blatantly lie for hundreds of posts and nobody cares.
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 21, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
  50. ChadMiller
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    WitchHunt #4

    ika, here is every post where I reiterated my original question and/or demanded a link to your answer to it that doesn't exist. If you still don't know what I mean, that's your problem.
    Post by: ChadMiller, Jun 21, 2014 in forum: Little Italy
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